Paediatric First Aid new info

**The Juggler** · 06-07-2011, 09:44 PM

we got a demo of the new ones on our recent first aid course. you don't need to do anything but attach the pads and press buttons, it talks you through everything. I would be happy to use one in a shopping centre/tube station or whatever.

I would NOT be buying one.

**Toothfairy** · 07-07-2011, 06:48 AM

They are VERY easy to use. I have been training to use them for the past 5 years.
They talk you through every step and will not release the electrical charge unless everything has been done and in the right place.

They even supply a razor to shave the chest with!

**rickysmiths** · 07-07-2011, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mouse

I was being flippant about the plasters

Many years ago we were told that we couldn't use them incase a child had a reaction to them (even if we had parental permission). I don't think hypoallergenic ones had been invented then

I've never had them in my first aid box since and have to say, I have never needed them. If I need something I use those little pads (can't think of the name) and micropore tape.

Noooo I'm allergic to it, brings me up in a horrible rash!! I have noticed that they rarely use it at the doctors or in hospitals now, they use elastoplast again. Hey ho another case of going round in circles.!!!

I have permission to use plasters though in 17yrs I have only used them a couple of times and once was to replace one an older child had on a finger that had come off.

onceinabluemoon · 07-07-2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by rickysmiths

Noooo I'm allergic to it, brings me up in a horrible rash!! I have noticed that they rarely use it at the doctors or in hospitals now, they use elastoplast again. Hey ho another case of going round in circles.!!!

I have permission to use plasters though in 17yrs I have only used them a couple of times and once was to replace one an older child had on a finger that had come off.

Blimey Rickysmiths, I nearly choked on me cornflakes then! I thought you meant the childs finger had come off!

**rickysmiths** · 07-07-2011, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Toothfairy

They are VERY easy to use. I have been training to use them for the past 5 years.
They talk you through every step and will not release the electrical charge unless everything has been done and in the right place.

They even supply a razor to shave the chest with!

No, no thats a step too far. Also if it has to be ready and available to use how do we RA the razor blade?

**cockatoos** · 07-07-2011, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by sillysausage

Surely defibrillators are more commonly used on adults rather than children. If that is the case I am obviously much more likely to need defibrillating than my mindees (being at least 4 decades older) . Is anyone prepared to run a training course for my 2.5 yr old so that he knows what to do with it

I absolutely agree! Defibrillators are mainly used for people who have had a heart attack, hardly ever used for children, unless they've got an underlying heart condition, and then that would be pretty specialised treatment. I would be very surprised if this becomes a recommendation for childminders, but they should definately be availiable in public places. I've been told that they are also fairly self explanatory (!!!!).

**madmamma** · 07-07-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by onceinabluemoon

Blimey Rickysmiths, I nearly choked on me cornflakes then! I thought you meant the childs finger had come off!

Me too! Had to re read it

**kindredspirits** · 07-07-2011, 01:34 PM

that is frankly ridiculous and I can't see it ever coming into force - the majority of cases of cardiac arrest in children occur as a direct result of respiritory arrest - which is why with children you do 5 rescue breathes at the beginning of CPR, its far more likely the body/lungs are deprived of oxygen.
I understand them being available in public places but in a nursery or childminding setting it would be a complete and utter waste of money.

**Hebs** · 07-07-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by kindredspirits

that is frankly ridiculous and I can't see it ever coming into force - the majority of cases of cardiac arrest in children occur as a direct result of respiritory arrest - which is why with children you do 5 rescue breathes at the beginning of CPR, its far more likely the body/lungs are deprived of oxygen. I understand them being available in public places but in a nursery or childminding setting it would be a complete and utter waste of money.

you dont now tho do you?? i'm sure we were told to start with chest compressions cos of the oxygen in the blood...........

would we have to carry it on outings

**kindredspirits** · 07-07-2011, 06:21 PM

I did my first aid course a fortnight ago and she said that with children you always do the 5 breaths first because a child is more likely to have stopped breathing before their heart stopped and therefore there wouldn't be oxygen in the blood to pump around.

**MaryMary** · 07-07-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Toothfairy

They are VERY easy to use. I have been training to use them for the past 5 years.
They talk you through every step and will not release the electrical charge unless everything has been done and in the right place.

They even supply a razor to shave the chest with!

That would be really handy 'cos all my mindees are REALLY hairy!!

(not!!)

I think, for those that have been shown these machines on their 1st Aid courses, and told they should get one, my first question would be 'are you on commission?!'

Nothing was mentioned at my recent course. a fireman took our course, and I think he said that they have only just started using them! And they would have much more reason to than us.

Re plasters - they were included in the NCMA 1st Aid kit i ordered a year or so ago

**The Juggler** · 07-07-2011, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by kindredspirits

I did my first aid course a fortnight ago and she said that with children you always do the 5 breaths first because a child is more likely to have stopped breathing before their heart stopped and therefore there wouldn't be oxygen in the blood to pump around.

with children they recommend doing the rescue breaths first but our very down to earth trainers said at the end of the day, if you don't, don't worry, the chest compressions are more important

**Hebs** · 07-07-2011, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Juggler

with children they recommend doing the rescue breaths first but our very down to earth trainers said at the end of the day, if you don't, don't worry, the chest compressions are more important

yes thats what we were told

**sunbeams** · 13-07-2011, 07:26 PM

Did first part of 1st Aid today. One of the ladies on the course brought up the de-fib question. The course tutor (St John's) told us this would def not be brought in, as they are used for older/elderly people.

xx

**jilliano** · 13-07-2011, 08:39 PM

I attended my first aid course today and asked about this and was told it would never happen so not to worry about it.

**jilliano** · 13-07-2011, 08:40 PM

i think you beat me to it lol

onceinabluemoon · 13-07-2011, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by sunbeams

Did first part of 1st Aid today. One of the ladies on the course brought up the de-fib question. The course tutor (St John's) told us this would def not be brought in, as they are used for older/elderly people.

xx

I would double check this info, I think somewhere along the line somebody has misunderstood.

AEDs can be used on children from the age of one year (but not recommended before that age). Paeds pads (they attenuate the current delivered during defibrillation) should be used from 1 to 8 years if available, otherwise adult pads used.

I think the trainer was more than likely meant to say they are more likely to be used on adults or elderly people than they are only used on older /elderly people IYSWIM.

Blue x (AED operator)

PS, I cant imagine they will ever bring in that childminders need to use them though, heck they dont even trust us with alcohol wipes...

**sarah707** · 13-07-2011, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by onceinabluemoon

PS, I cant imagine they will ever bring in that childminders need to use them though, heck they dont even trust us with alcohol wipes...

We were told we are ok to use non alcoholic wipes...

It's the alcoholic ones that are the problem because of religious and personal / lifestyle / choice views against the use of alcohol.

onceinabluemoon · 13-07-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by sarah707

We were told we are ok to use non alcoholic wipes...

It's the alcoholic ones that are the problem because of religious and personal / lifestyle / choice views against the use of alcohol.

haha and I thought it was in case we inhaled the alcohol and got drunk on duty!

am now wondering if I shouldn't be using alcohol anti bac gel...

Seriously that possibly wasn't the best example of things not to be trusted with, but I'm sure it gets the point over x