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    Thinking long term, what doors can Level 3 open for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell1979 View Post
    Thinking long term, what doors can Level 3 open for you?
    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post

    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.
    Well that's put my mind at rest! Nearly finished and I'll be quite pleased to have my evenings back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post
    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post

    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.
    Lmao!! I want to do mine but it's so expensive I need to save up for a bit.
    Do you think it will ever become compulsory for existing Childminders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post
    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.
    Bunyip...it is very obvious that your experience of the level 3 is not a good one and I really feel for you and understand your frustration
    For some it was challenging and we did learn from it

    Personally I feel a Level 3 does have benefits for those cms who wish to learn more and then maybe proceed to a degree or aim for EYPS

    It is not a question of 'impressing' anyone who is easily impressed ...I believe it is a personal thing...some of us like to study others don't

    Some parents do care about qualifications ...others don't!

    Why are cms the only ones in the sector fighting against this Level 3 beats me...others in the sector are willing to take the challenge
    For nursery staff it also means higher pay...could this lead cms to charge a bit more if they achieved qualifications rather than the very low fees they charge at present?

    Personally my fees do reflect my qualifications as well as experience and setting I offer...I am proud of my learning
    I loved my FDegree and would love to continue with the next step

    It also bugs me when newly registered cms with no knowledge of childcare also charge high fees ...simply because it is the going rate and match those of cms who have been doing the job a long time.

    My view is that we need to be recognised a bit more than we are at present...for as long as we resist getting qualified we will always be seen as non equal and dare I say 'glorified babysitters'...oh yes I was once referred to that and it hurt!

    we are asking for funding to be increased...I am sure the govt will not raise it to fund unqualified providers but look how much they are investing in new graduates with degrees in marine biology to become EY providers and no idea of childcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post
    1. Nice piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall -at last you can cover that damp patch.

    2. Your training company will offer you a free buffet and presentation evening where they can take your photo with a bunch of acne-ridden school-leavers.

    3. You no longer sweat when you see that age-old thread title "Level 3 to become compulsory???"

    4. You get to impress a load of easily-impressed fellow childcare "professionals."

    5. You don't need to worry about the difficulties of explaining to parents whether it will have any practical value in caring for their lo, as none of them will be the slightest bit interested.

    6. You can rest safe in the knowledge that, whatever life brings, you will never again do anything so pointless, irritating or boring again. Ever.

    7. You get to write smug little posts on the Forum...........like this one..............by me.
    I didn't get no 2 - We went for dinner and had to pay for it! feel Like I should do it again as I obviously missed this important bit and feel that my NVQ is now worthless and I need to do it to get this vital bit

    You left the bit about storing huge folders full of work because you feel that with all that effort you can't just throw them out! I have 5 folders as we had to do the full apprenticeship to get it free

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    I spent 2 fulltime years at college doing my NNEB when I left school. I'm so glad I have it as there is no way on earth I would find time to do it now. I would wear myself down into non existence

    Don't know how anyone can work 50hrs a week and find time to study...hats off to everyone that does it
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCrakers View Post
    I spent 2 fulltime years at college doing my NNEB when I left school. I'm so glad I have it as there is no way on earth I would find time to do it now. I would wear myself down into non existence

    Don't know how anyone can work 50hrs a week and find time to study...hats off to everyone that does it
    Wish they had kept NNEB...one of the best qualifications to be obtained...why was it scrapped?
    I know 2 colleagues who have it and they are a mine of information and valuable support

    I believe Truss believes in the NNEB and the new EYE is supposed to be based on that
    Funnily enough it is in the news today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell1979 View Post
    Thinking long term, what doors can Level 3 open for you?


    Sorry this was a serious question ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell1979 View Post
    Sorry this was a serious question ?
    It is a serious question and one cms have to decide
    it opens the door to more knowledge, better pay, more understanding of EYFS, learning and development, leadership and management, working in partnership with parents...to mention a few...that is my view

    Looking long terms at the way this govt is going I think they will value qualifications in terms of outcomes for children

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    I have the NNEB and a few years ago I did the diploma in home based childcare. The NNEB was great as my knowledge of child development and education is ingrained but the dhc which was level 3 updated my knowledge especially around rights of the child, equalities acts etc none of which were in existence when I qualified with my NNEB!

    I don't know what benefits exactly I get from having my level 3 apart from self satisfaction and updated knowledge.
    I know I could work in a nursery or school but that would be using my NNEB as dhc was for home based carers.

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    I'm not sure what my level 3 gives me...its not more pay that's for sure. I learnt a lot from my 2yrs at college and a lot about how children think and so I'm quite good at knowing what a child needs before they need it.....lol

    I have 20yrs experience of working with children as a Nanny, Mum and a minder and experience of children from an age of 10 when my Mum had my brother. I used to love helping out, then when I was 13yrs old I had another brother. This is what led me to wanting to work with children. I know if childminding runs dry I can get a job in a nursery and hopefully with my knowledge of EYFS, I could possibly get a higher role than a nursery nurse but as I love the concept of minding and know it's better for a child I'm not sure I would want to work in a nursery.

    My level 3, I suppose puts me on a good level to continue onto a level 4 but at the moment I wouldn't have the time. I could go on to further my knowledge although after 20yrs I'm not sure what else I can learn. Keeping up to date helps me keep my knowledge fresh. It did enable my to offer funding but that has now all changed.

    As a childminder I'm full to bursting at the moment but I'm not sure if this is to do with my qualifications or just because I get recommended a lot as I'm good at what I do? I don't feel I do a better job than someone without a level 3 sometimes experience counts for more than a qualification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCrakers View Post
    I'm not sure what my level 3 gives me...its not more pay that's for sure. I learnt a lot from my 2yrs at college and a lot about how children think and so I'm quite good at knowing what a child needs before they need it.....lol

    I have 20yrs experience of working with children as a Nanny, Mum and a minder and experience of children from an age of 10 when my Mum had my brother. I used to love helping out, then when I was 13yrs old I had another brother. This is what led me to wanting to work with children. I know if childminding runs dry I can get a job in a nursery and hopefully with my knowledge of EYFS, I could possibly get a higher role than a nursery nurse but as I love the concept of minding and know it's better for a child I'm not sure I would want to work in a nursery.

    My level 3, I suppose puts me on a good level to continue onto a level 4 but at the moment I wouldn't have the time. I could go on to further my knowledge although after 20yrs I'm not sure what else I can learn. Keeping up to date helps me keep my knowledge fresh. It did enable my to offer funding but that has now all changed.

    As a childminder I'm full to bursting at the moment but I'm not sure if this is to do with my qualifications or just because I get recommended a lot as I'm good at what I do? I don't feel I do a better job than someone without a level 3 sometimes experience counts for more than a qualification.
    My personal feelings is that we confuse qualifications with doing our job better
    That is not where I am coming from as I know there are many cms without a level 3 who are excellent because of their experience, common sense and knowledge acquired through practice

    We know the DfE wants unqualified teachers...many object. Could we have Head Teachers without qualifications? I don't think so
    We have EYPS who lead practice and who have improved outcomes for children

    I also feel it is to do with aspiration for those who wish to get to EYPS or anywhere else because a FDegree in childcare can open doors to other degrees totally removed from childcare....and never saying there is nothing more to learn...there will always be something new as knowledge is never ending

    Tinkerbell1979 asked which doors could the level 3 open...each one of us will have a different answer ...for me it has opened many doors...I wonder what Tinkerbell feels it will open for her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell1979 View Post
    Sorry this was a serious question ?
    Sorry . By having a level 3 like the CCLD or the diploma it should be portable so that you could apply for a job working as a Teaching Assistant, in a nursery, youth worker etc. Anything to do with children and young people.

    You could also choose to further the qualification and do a foundation degree in childhood studies or similar.


    When I moved and couldn't start childminding due to planning restrictions I was able to get a job as a playworker with my level 3 which I did until I was re-registered (England-Wales move) and full again

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    My level 3 was phenomenal, I did it pre-CM and was using it as an assistant manager at an outstanding nursery. I then went on to do my degree with the level 3 (it was a BTEC level 3)

    I would thoroughly recommend it! If not for now, but the future. It was so in depth, it offered me a wealth of knowledge and I often refer back to texts and whilst at uni, I even recycled some work!

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    Thanks for your replies.

    I started level 3 yesterday, tbh I'm doing it because:

    1. I have been minding just over a year and finally feel I have found the job I was born to do.

    2. It is funded by my LA and its the last of the funding so I feel it's an opportunity not to be missed.

    3. I feel it will help me in my cm practice.

    The reason I asked what doors it will open in the future is because yes I am LOVING this job but my children are young (8, 6 & 3), will I still want to do this when they are older? I don't know! What I do know is I would still want a job with children so just wondered what other jobs it could help me apply for later in life.

    Thank you all again for your replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell1979 View Post
    Thanks for your replies.

    I started level 3 yesterday, tbh I'm doing it because:

    1. I have been minding just over a year and finally feel I have found the job I was born to do.

    2. It is funded by my LA and its the last of the funding so I feel it's an opportunity not to be missed.

    3. I feel it will help me in my cm practice.

    The reason I asked what doors it will open in the future is because yes I am LOVING this job but my children are young (8, 6 & 3), will I still want to do this when they are older? I don't know! What I do know is I would still want a job with children so just wondered what other jobs it could help me apply for later in life.

    Thank you all again for your replies.
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    The sky is the limit with future jobs! For some childminders a level 3 opens up doors to further qualifications and degree levels. Some of the jobs could be:
    family support worker
    Community health visitor assistant
    Portage worker
    LA advisor
    Teacher
    Early years inspector
    Area SENCO for LA
    Assessor

    Remain in childminding and do other things too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    The sky is the limit with future jobs! For some childminders a level 3 opens up doors to further qualifications and degree levels. Some of the jobs could be:
    family support worker
    Community health visitor assistant
    Portage worker
    LA advisor
    Teacher
    Early years inspector
    Area SENCO for LA
    Assessor

    Remain in childminding and do other things too
    I agree completely. I would say undertaking my Level 3 has set me on a different path in life. I am now coming to the end of a BA(Hons) and although I am not yet at the stage where I am ready to move on from childminding there is a chance I will in the future. My practice has changed immensely and I now have a thirst for knowledge to understand the complexities of child development to improve the outcomes for the children I care for. Without my Level 3 I would be unable to provide funded places for the local authority and my parents really do appreciate the qualifications I have.

    Each to their own I guess but it can be a very positive experience

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