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Hi all - Leeds is reviewing the 2year check with childcare & health teams & I'm going along to chat about CM opinion.
So first I thought it might be good to get some opinions to chat about :idea: - any opinions out there? Is it working well in other areas, is anyone else finding a certain lack of integration with the HV team or does it work well, is the timing of the check right, would a standardised format help or just be annoying... any gripes or ideas gratefully recieved!
Children do not get a two year check here so childcarers doing them means at least any problems will get highlighted so in that respect it's a good idea.
I think the age to do it needs tightening up, for example I have a two year 8 month old coming to me, mum says the childminder has not done the check because you don't need to do it til nearer 3, this child had a two year check with hv at aged 2 years. 1 month, so really I could get away with not doing it and child would slip through the net.
I read somewhere about a hv reporting a childminder to ofsted because her reports were not accurate, turns out the hv normals are different to the development matters, so this needs sorting so we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
Have not had to do one yet but l do think there should be a standardised format with clear instruction on it on how to fill it in and how much information they want, two should be filled in one by the childs main carer and the other by the childs parents both forms should be taken along to the check.
There is a general lack of understanding from parents about the importance of the check.
Reports suggest that parents are unlikely to share the check with the HV is there is a concern flagged by the cm - thereby negating its worth.
If the check is given to HVs, few of them do more than glance at or value it.
The HV and cm aims of the check are very different - so a standard format would work better.
We are also hearing a significant amount of reports stating that HVs are advising parents to send children to nursery / pre-school - very insulting to cms who are working with the child.
hth :D
Totally agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah707
Waiting to see what response I get from the HV when I present her with my DD's 2 year check (done by me!).
Would really love to know where that's from if you can recall?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue bear
All good stuff!
Thanks Sarah -any further info on this would be really helpful...PM if pref?Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah707
I agree there is confusion from parents on the importance of the progress check at 2...there is also variation from LA to LA on when it should be done and many HV had not been aware this a requirement of the EYFS
This will change in 2015 I believe when the Health dept will work in conjunction to the Education dept and the new system comes in.
One thing to clarify though...cms or providers cannot give the Progress check directly to a HV 'unless' the parents have agreed to it...it is a requirement that cms/providers obtain 'consent' from parents to share with other professionals
This has been flagged up as a recommendation from inspections...so make sure you have consent
The sad thing about this very useful check which is a 'preventative' tool and very time consuming process is that there is no guarantee the parents will share it with the HV and, so far, no duty on their part to do so which means some children's additional needs will not get flagged up in time to intervene
Just shows then that we are not being treated as knowledgeable "professionals" if we can't share information with health visitors without the parents consent. If parents bury their heads in the sand and won't admit their child has a developmental delay then we can't ensure that the child gets specialist help - no wonder children are going to school unable to communicate etc properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simona
It is a rather conflicting message is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by hectors house
On the one hand the govt says we are in a good position as professionals to raise concerns via the check ...on the other we are unable to share info and get advice unless parents say so....
What is often refer to as 'parents burying their head in the sand' is also called 'denial' and there may be many reasons why parents do that?..fear, anxiety, guilt, worry their child will be labelled or even knowledge something is wrong but not knowing out to deal with it?
Those who have cared for children with SEN will know the struggles parents go through before finally shaking their fears and coming out fighting for what is best for their children.
It would be useful if after one year the results from this Progress check at 2 were published...did it help? did it prevent needs for becoming more serious by early intervention?
hi i mind a 2 year old had him since 6 months, his mum isnt interested in me doing a progress check( she just wants him cared for fed and water,ed her words) and said HV already does a check. I have done the paper work for it now do i just keep hold for my own records to show ofsted inspector or do i destroy it.i was under the impression i have to sit down with mum and go through eveything, not sure what to do now. :(
The health visitor can only do a check on what she sees on the day, as you say, you have had this child since 6 months old and probably know him as well as the parent but you do still need to do a 2 year check which is for developmental progress than growth/weight/height which the HV will probably look at. I just sent home a 2 year check yesterday for a parent to read through - she brought it back today and said I have described her child's character and abilities very accurately, I know need to arrange a proper meeting with her to discuss the report and then when she has signed it, I have to send a copy to the HV so she has time to read it before his appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by jubeedo
I find the 2 year check a bit pointless, because I do regular summaries and raise any concerns with parents as they arise. However, I think it's useful for childminders who may not be doing summaries and noticing/reporting any concerns to parents.
I think that a standard format would be useful, as much as I hate reducing a child to ticks in boxes.
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Originally Posted by gef918
I do the same
I agree with you on this as much as I resist any kind of 'paperwork' handed down by LAs... in this case it would make sense if there was some guidance, not by the LAs but the DfE itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by gef918
The govt is spending huge sums on ensuring that any concerns are flagged up in the Progress Check so that Intervention kicks in before the children get to school...and yet we have different systems in LAs, we have Health Visitors who take no notice while others do welcome our input, we have interested and co-operative parents and those who do not care because they see this as testing children..
We also have different systems as when the Progress Check takes place, we can devise our own model of reporting with samples given in the NCB publication...very confusing.
In 2015 Health and Education will join together to ensure this exercise is paying dividends...would be great if they started listening to us now and created some 'joined up thinking'
In my area there is a shortage of HV with many parents just being sent questionnaires to fill in with no actual time spent with a HV and because of this some cm have not done the 2 year check - not seeing the point if its not going to be looked at well I know of a couple who have ofsted actions because they have not done one. I have created a form I will fill in which I will photocopy and have 3 copies, one for me , one for parent and one for parent to pass onto HV, with a slip that parents sign to say they have received the copies and I have gone through the check with them, that way I'm doing what ofsted want and if there is a problem it might encourage parents to try to seek extra help.