4 YEAR OLDS IN FULLTIME SCHOOL!

[charleyfarley]

If this is the case then perhaps we should all start insisting that our children do not actually start school till they actually turn 5 - they will have to start doing the different intakes throughout the year again then! Pah (in one of them moods tonight.



Have pm'd you Angel - thanks

Apparantly schools are not abliged to take children until the age of 5.

Some schools choose to take children earlier.

So by law parents do not have to send children to school till they are 5 either

It was really confusing when I lived in Oxford as 2 mindees both aged 4, 1 went to full time school and 1 went half days nursery

Carol xx

[Banana]

I called again this morning.

This time she went and checked with a supervisor before answering.


Basically, yes, the are classed as 5 in term time but in the hoilidays they are classed as under 5's. So I had a bit of a rant and then said how ridiculous it all was and what happens about if your child is ill and off for a day - does that mean im over my numbers etc??? Was all a bit wishy washy and to be honest the fact that she didnt know and had to go and check shows that they arent receiving the correct training!

Apparently if this rule is an issue for us then we should just write to inspection support and ask for a variation for the holidays.

So can anyone clarify this.... is this only when the EYFS comes in or technically are there minders over their numbers now according to this ridiculous rule?

x

[chez1373]

Sorry this is going of subject a little?
Is are our children with in our nymbers i can care for 4 under 8 my son is 2 will he take up a space?

[Banana]

That should be in addition to your own child

x

[Blaze]

I called again this morning.

This time she went and checked with a supervisor before answering.


Basically, yes, the are classed as 5 in term time but in the hoilidays they are classed as under 5's. So I had a bit of a rant and then said how ridiculous it all was and what happens about if your child is ill and off for a day - does that mean im over my numbers etc??? Was all a bit wishy washy and to be honest the fact that she didnt know and had to go and check shows that they arent receiving the correct training!

Apparently if this rule is an issue for us then we should just write to inspection support and ask for a variation for the holidays.

So can anyone clarify this.... is this only when the EYFS comes in or technically are there minders over their numbers now according to this ridiculous rule?

x

No it's from now...well aparently it has been the rule since the National Standards came into effeict years ago...we are all just thick & it's not OFSTED's fault that the NS's are vague!
Tasha

[Blaze]

PS...it will continue to be the rule under EYFS!
Tasha

[Banana]

Are we the only people that didnt know this?

I had never even thought about it. So isnt that going to affect some of you on here.

Do you think I should call my support minder (well, she's not now) but she still said to call her about anything if i neede her. Just thinking she's connected with all the other minders that started when I did so maybe incase they dont know??

x

[Blaze]

|everyone i have tried to tell has been completely uniterested as I don't have it in writing...am waiting for a response to my email...should get it today or tomorrow. Will post it when i get it|!
Tasha

[angeldelight]

I have also emailed this morning Lana with some of our names added

Let you know when I receive a reply

Angel xx

[Banana]

Thanks Angel

Well if they arent interested Tasha... you cant say you didnt try to warn them


xxx

[Sarsar3NCH]

I have tried to warn people about this and most people thought I was mad. I tried explain that some of you had spoken to Ofsted but there were not interested. I await email responses eagerly xxxxx

[Blaze]

This is what OFSTED emailed back.
Tasha

Dear Mrs Disown Lee



Thank you for your email.



The rising five rule applies to both minded children as well as your own, this rule does not change during school holidays. If a child attends full time school for example ten sessions per week then they are regarded as five year olds (rising 5's).


However should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.



Regards



Miss Donna Culbert

Customer Service Advisor

Ofsted - National Business Unit

TEL: 08456 404040




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Please could you confirm when a 4 year old is classed as 5, for both minded children, as well as my own. I have been told that 4 year olds that attend 10 educational settings a week are only classed as 5 while they are at school...so therefore before/afterschool & holidays they revert back to being 4 (as far as numbers are concerned), it was also mentioned that the rising 5 rule only applies to a childminders children...all v. confusing & makes managing numbers very difficult! I am quite shocked if this is really the case that it hasn\'t been highlighted.
Regards
Natasha Dyson-Lee


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[angeldelight]

Thanks Tasha

I am still waiting for a reply at least you have one now

xx

[Blaze]

Would be interesting to see if we get the same reply!
Tasha

[LittleMissSparkles]

did they really spell your name disown tasha ??? thats terrible x

[Minnie Minx]

it's blooming appalling and needs reporting so an apology can be issued



xx

[Pipsqueak]

For goodness sake this saga just goes from bad to worse doesn't it. (Well done Tasha on your efforts by the way).

I have always been under the impression that school attending 4yr olds where classed in your next bracket up (5-8yrs). I am astounded that this has NEVER been pointed out (that they revert back to being 4yrs old when they are out of school), by ANYONE - ICP course, DHC, Inspector, Any course assesors, network, ANYONE.
Thats going to balls some people up then isn't it.

So what do we do - start charging parents while the kids are at school - not particuarly feasible is it and it will be very unwelcome. After all they are taking up a space that we cannot fill or would be hard to.

Talk about not making things simple.

[Blaze]

did they really spell your name disown tasha ??? thats terrible x

yep they did mispell my name...well spotted!
Tasha

[ruby]

i have been keeping an eye on this over the weeks
though i am with the cssiw .
my friend was told the same as you that they revert to under 5's durng the holidays
so just to be on the safe side i emailed the CSSIW and had a reply back yesterday
the stay as rising 5 term-time and holidays
at least when i have my inspection this year i will have it in writing as the inspector who told my friend differently is the same one that i have for my inspections.

hope you all get this sorted out soon

Cathy and Rachel

[Banana]

They do not return to under 5's during holidays

xx