Unannounced OFSTED call at 7am

**TooEarlyForGin?** · 18-11-2013, 09:44 AM

Simona/Sarah,

There is a thread running on the independent chilmdinders page on FB that a childminder had a knock at the door at 7am from an OFSTED inspector claiming they were in the area doing "spot checks". She is in the Bradford area, and turned her away as had something planned, and said she will call OFSTED later to check if this was above board, as how can she check an inspectors credentials at 7am.

Even if there was a complaint surely 7am is appalling, these are our homes, how far can they go?

Just thought you might like to know if you are speaking to anyone with regards to the OFSTED big conversation.

Simona · 18-11-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

Simona/Sarah,

There is a thread running on the independent chilmdinders page on FB that a childminder had a knock at the door at 7am from an OFSTED inspector claiming they were in the area doing "spot checks". She is in the Bradford area, and turned her away as had something planned, and said she will call OFSTED later to check if this was above board, as how can she check an inspectors credentials at 7am.

Even if there was a complaint surely 7am is appalling, these are our homes, how far can they go?

Just thought you might like to know if you are speaking to anyone with regards to the OFSTED big conversation.

Thank you for sharing...unless that cm complains personally to Ofsted nothing will be done as we cannot speak for her or even read her comments as FB is not an open forum and will not be taken seriously
please tell the cm to report it so Ofsted can act upon it...she could email Ofsted directly rather than ringing them as it is a very long winded process now....I hope she did take the inspector's name?

Thank you again

**TooEarlyForGin?** · 18-11-2013, 10:07 AM

She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early. Apparently someone has reported a that a minder doing a school run at a local school is over her numbers, so they are checking all minders in a 3 mile radius, instead of the common sense approach of waiting at the school in question.

Sounds like excuse after excuse to bump her quota up......

**clairer** · 18-11-2013, 10:23 AM

If I had a spot check I would not answer the door. My home is my home as well as a business. AND at 7 am I would be in my pyjamas and getting my own children ready and NOT open for business!

**Daftbat** · 18-11-2013, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by clairer

If I had a spot check I would not answer the door. My home is my home as well as a business. AND at 7 am I would be in my pyjamas and getting my own children ready and NOT open for business!

Whilst I sympathize with this thinking Ofsted are legally able to enter your property (given you answer the door)! It wouldn't go in your favour to refuse enty to an inspector. They are reasonable though normally and won't hold you up if you are on a school run or have an appointment.

**Bluebell** · 18-11-2013, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Daftbat

Whilst I sympathize with this thinking Ofsted are legally able to enter your property (given you answer the door)! It wouldn't go in your favour to refuse enty to an inspector. They are reasonable though normally and won't hold you up if you are on a school run or have an appointment.

But if it's not your normal opening hours is it still their legal right? And if you are not happy with who they are - ie can't phone ofsted to check - then surely we are definitely in our right to refuse entry in the interests of safety and security?

**angeldelight** · 21-11-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Daftbat

Whilst I sympathize with this thinking Ofsted are legally able to enter your property (given you answer the door)! It wouldn't go in your favour to refuse enty to an inspector. They are reasonable though normally and won't hold you up if you are on a school run or have an appointment.

I agree plus if you say your working hours are 7 till 6 for example ,then of course they could turn up early

I've never read anywhere that there is a time limit on when Ofsted come out

Always be on your toes whatever the time I say

Angel xxx

**bunyip** · 18-11-2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early. Apparently someone has reported a that a minder doing a school run at a local nursery is over her numbers, so they are checking all minders in a 3 mile radius, instead of the common sense approach of waiting at the school in question.

Sounds like excuse after excuse to bump her quota up......

They really know how to deploy their resources efficiently, eh?

**Kiddleywinks** · 18-11-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early. Apparently someone has reported a that a minder doing a school run at a local school is over her numbers, so they are checking all minders in a 3 mile radius, instead of the common sense approach of waiting at the school in question.

Sounds like excuse after excuse to bump her quota up......

Really!! Clocks went back weeks ago so inspector must be wondering why she's early and late for different events....

If they're going to make excuses they really should try harder to make them at least plausible!

**Mouse** · 18-11-2013, 12:51 PM

Unbelievable - the excuse that is! What a rubbish reason!

I saw on FB that the inspector clarified it, saying it was an old watch she's put on today, so didn't realise it was wrong. But I would assume she's probably looked at her phone at some time, or her laptop, or tablet, or her alarm clock, or at the TV, or at the clock in her car, or listened to a radio. Surely she must have done at least one of those things and seen or heard the time. Perhaps someone could give her a shovel to dig her whole a little deeper.

But it would seem Ofsted are backing her excuse and accept as being reasonable. The whole thing sounds fishy - they're doing spot checks all all childminders in a 3 mile radius as there's been a report that someone at an unspecified school is over their numbers? I'm sorry, but it's all rubbish. Why are inspectors coming up with these excuses and why are Ofsted accepting them, but denying it's happening?

Talking with cm friends this week it seems we're all living in fear of a random knock at the door. Several are already talking of packing in cming as they can't cope with the stress of it? I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but how long till we're hearing that this wouldn't happen if you were with an agency

**SwanLake** · 18-11-2013, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mouse

Unbelievable - the excuse that is! What a rubbish reason!

I saw on FB that the inspector clarified it, saying it was an old watch she's put on today, so didn't realise it was wrong. But I would assume she's probably looked at her phone at some time, or her laptop, or tablet, or her alarm clock, or at the TV, or at the clock in her car, or listened to a radio. Surely she must have done at least one of those things and seen or heard the time. Perhaps someone could give her a shovel to dig her whole a little deeper.

But it would seem Ofsted are backing her excuse and accept as being reasonable. The whole thing sounds fishy - they're doing spot checks all all childminders in a 3 mile radius as there's been a report that someone at an unspecified school is over their numbers? I'm sorry, but it's all rubbish. Why are inspectors coming up with these excuses and why are Ofsted accepting them, but denying it's happening?

Talking with cm friends this week it seems we're all living in fear of a random knock at the door. Several are already talking of packing in cming as they can't cope with the stress of it? I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but how long till we're hearing that this wouldn't happen if you were with an agency

Im with you on this - are they trying to 'push' us into going with agencies....

**AdeleMarie88** · 18-11-2013, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mouse

Unbelievable - the excuse that is! What a rubbish reason! I saw on FB that the inspector clarified it, saying it was an old watch she's put on today, so didn't realise it was wrong. But I would assume she's probably looked at her phone at some time, or her laptop, or tablet, or her alarm clock, or at the TV, or at the clock in her car, or listened to a radio. Surely she must have done at least one of those things and seen or heard the time. Perhaps someone could give her a shovel to dig her whole a little deeper. But it would seem Ofsted are backing her excuse and accept as being reasonable.

It's just a lie, there is no way that is a reasonable response! Like you say, unless she is walking around getting ready for work with a bag on her head, there is no way that's the truth. Not to mention how dark it is at 7am!!!

This is a worry, what are Ofsted playing at. Not only is this a massive waste of valuable *cough cough* resources, what do they expect to achieve? If someone knocked on my door at 7am, they wouldn't get an answer. If they knocked on my door at 8am, they wouldn't get much done as we are rushing around getting breakfast, cleaned, shoes coats on and out for the half past 8 school run!

Whilst it is useful to hear these stories, it also makes people fearful, and we don't know all the facts. If she was over ratios, she should be complained about, and she should be having an unannounced inspection. Whilst the early call is out of order, I hope the CM in question wasn't just trying to deflect the blame because she is at fault in the first place! X

**SwanLake** · 18-11-2013, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early. Apparently someone has reported a that a minder doing a school run at a local school is over her numbers, so they are checking all minders in a 3 mile radius, instead of the common sense approach of waiting at the school in question.

Sounds like excuse after excuse to bump her quota up......

Oh deary me, if the inspector cannot even do a simple task such as changing her watch nearly 3 weeks after the clocks went back then how can we be assured that her inspecting skills are suitable........

**rickysmiths** · 18-11-2013, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early. Apparently someone has reported a that a minder doing a school run at a local school is over her numbers, so they are checking all minders in a 3 mile radius, instead of the common sense approach of waiting at the school in question.

Sounds like excuse after excuse to bump her quota up......

The clocks went back at the end of October so if she forgot to put her watch back then she would have thought it was 8am. However unless the visit was on Monday 28th October the first weekday after the clocks went back she must be quite dozy to have been able to work, watch telly, use a computer and not realise the clocks had changed!!

**cathtee** · 18-11-2013, 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=TooEarlyForGin?;1320954]She has contacted OFSTED and been told that the inspector had forgotten to change her watch when the clocks changed, which is why she was so early

Clocks changed 3 weeks ago that is such a poor excuse has she only got one clock, I wouldn't even be up at that time she would be standing around for quite a while

Simona · 18-11-2013, 01:24 PM

I can't recall if inspectors can do 'spot checks'...my understanding is either a scheduled inspection and we get a quick call in advance to warn us ...or a complaint triggered one when the inspector can arrive announced.

I checked the Framework for the regulation of provision and I cannot find any reference to 'spot checks'...maybe someone can look at p 12-13 in case I missed it?
Ofsted | Framework for the regulation of provision on the Early Years Register

**AdeleMarie88** · 18-11-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Simona

I can't recall if inspectors can do 'spot checks'...my understanding is either a scheduled inspection and we get a quick call in advance to warn us ...or a complaint triggered one when the inspector can arrive announced. I checked the Framework for the regulation of provision and I cannot find any reference to 'spot checks'...maybe someone can look at p 12-13 in case I missed it? Ofsted | Framework for the regulation of provision on the Early Years Register

I don't think spot checks are allowed, but I think we should question the accuracy of the post from the CM on fb. Reading between the lines, it seems more likely that she was over ratio during her school runs, and an inspector, albeit exceptionally early, came to inspect her because of it. I severely doubt Ofsted will do on the spot inspections, they just don't have the man power for that kind of thing!

**Mouse** · 18-11-2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by AdeleMarie88

I don't think spot checks are allowed, but I think we should question the accuracy of the post from the CM on fb. Reading between the lines, it seems more likely that she was over ratio during her school runs, and an inspector, albeit exceptionally early, came to inspect her because of it. I severely doubt Ofsted will do on the spot inspections, they just don't have the man power for that kind of thing!

I do agree we should consider that there is always another side to the story, although that doesn't explain the excuse the inspector gave for arriving so early!

And just because spot checks aren't allowed, it doesn't mean they don't happen. It's like Ofsted saying unannounced routine inspections don't happen, when it would appear they do.

**TooEarlyForGin?** · 18-11-2013, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by AdeleMarie88

I don't think spot checks are allowed, but I think we should question the accuracy of the post from the CM on fb. Reading between the lines, it seems more likely that she was over ratio during her school runs, and an inspector, albeit exceptionally early, came to inspect her because of it. I severely doubt Ofsted will do on the spot inspections, they just don't have the man power for that kind of thing!

Then why would the inspector lie?

Surely if she was investigating because of a complaint she would have apologised how early she was and waited in the car. I haven't read anything in-between the lines of this post. She has contacted OFSTED and received an apology from the inspector with the excuse about her watch being wrong, and is going to follow it up with a complaint/comment on being contacted by them that early in the morning, she only had her registration visit 2 months ago, I doubt she would be packing them in when she is so new and knowing she will be due a full inspection soon. If she was trying to hide something, would she do all this?

**AdeleMarie88** · 18-11-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by TooEarlyForGin?

Then why would the inspector lie? Surely if she was investigating because of a complaint she would have apologised how early she was and waited in the car. I haven't read anything in-between the lines of this post. She has contacted OFSTED and received an apology from the inspector with the excuse about her watch being wrong, and is going to follow it up with a complaint/comment on being contacted by them that early in the morning, she only had her registration visit 2 months ago, I doubt she would be packing them in when she is so new and knowing she will be due a full inspection soon. If she was trying to hide something, would she do all this?

I just don't for a second believe that they have inspectors doing on the spot checks within a three mile radius. The facts seem very woolly, i don't think we have the full story. ofsted make it easy for us to be down on them, but this isn't normal behaviour for inspectors, so there must be more to it than what we know! Whether CM is withholding truths from her post, who knows, but doubts is is going to become standard practice.

As I said in previous post, to arrive at 7am, for what ever reason is far far to early, and inspectors retort about old watch, is rubbish! It seems fishy to me!