New plans by education minister Elizabeth Truss double numbers?

**Bananabrain** · 10-01-2013, 01:48 PM

My husband and I have 6 under 6 on a Thursday. Sometimes that's hard with two of us. Wouldn't want to do it on my own, especially in the winter.

**Tazmin68** · 10-01-2013, 01:52 PM

Ok so they increase the ratios for nurseries. I cannot see the hourly rate dropping that much. I think that we should be allowed to go to 4 in the ey bracket but also be circumstances as continuity and new business as long as not excessive as I am finding more and more parents want part time and it is so easy to overlap for example. I have one child from 11.30-18.00 after preschool depending on mom nursing shift usually only 2 days a week, another 11.00-15.45 all five days, another child Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays 9.00-13.30. I have had an enquiry for a place Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays 8.00-18.00 but I have an issue with Wednesdays as should I have child 1 then I would have 4 children in the ey bracket from 11.30-13.30 and as new business I cannot do it.
At least we can still promote home baed care and quality and safeguard in relation to children. The nurseries rate would have to drop by £7 a day to be closer to current childminder rates.

**FussyElmo** · 10-01-2013, 01:55 PM

I wonder how many nurseries will actually reduce the fees. I mean after all they are a business and more children means more profit not nessecarily cheaper prices.

**rickysmiths** · 10-01-2013, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by watgem

bonkers-more children would increase our costs, we might not have the space, many of us would have to apply for planning permission(£400 in my area!)and whatever happened to the child being central to our practice? many parents choose childminders because of our smaller ratios, and what about health and safety etc etc, why don't they actually talk to british practitioners and real ordinary parents before coming up with their half baked ideas

sorry about that rant but it makes me soooo cross

Never mind the cost of buying, taxing, insuring and paying the petrol for a 7+ seater car and the effect of that on the environment especially driving it around on my own in the evening and at weekends.

**LauraS** · 10-01-2013, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by FussyElmo

I wonder how many nurseries will actually reduce the fees. I mean after all they are a business and more children means more profit not nessecarily cheaper prices.

How many.nurseries will have to? There won't be more children, after all, just more spaces for the same number of children. My local nursery is pretty troubled, judging by their ofsted report (inadequate, for all sorts of reasons like disinterested and clueless staff, safety issues etc), but has lots of kids. I don't understand why anyone would use them especially as there is an outstanding rated nursery half a mile away. The only reason I can find is that they are about 20% cheaper than anyone else. Cost shouldnt matter.to parents, but clearly it does.

If the nurseries had a lot.more.spaces to fill, they would compete.for.the business. Some will do that by lowering prices if they have to imo - some profit being better than none.

**Loushah** · 27-01-2013, 12:31 AM

I wonder when the full details are going to be released?

**christine e** · 27-01-2013, 08:17 AM

There is a petition regarding ratios at ***********

https://www.***********/en-GB/petiti...o-adult-ratios

**christine e** · 27-01-2013, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by christine e

There is a petition regarding ratios at ***********

https://www.***********/en-GB/petiti...o-adult-ratios

Oh dear I have been starred out! Anyone who want details of the petition please pm me with an email address

**Tunja** · 27-01-2013, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Loushah

I wonder when the full details are going to be released?

Truss is supposedly making her announcement on Tuesday.
Tunja

**Loushah** · 27-01-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tunja

Truss is supposedly making her announcement on Tuesday.
Tunja

That is good, do you know which channel / time?

**Loushah** · 27-01-2013, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Tunja

Truss is supposedly making her announcement on Tuesday.
Tunja

Thanks Tunja, do you know what channel and time?

**Tunja** · 27-01-2013, 01:18 PM

Sorry no Idea. There were rumours which the National Children's Bureau confirmed for me when I sent them comments on ratios they had requested.

**Mouse** · 27-01-2013, 03:10 PM

Elizabeth Truss MP: More Great Childcare

This seems to confirm the 29th Jan will be the day for announcements

**Marshmallow** · 27-01-2013, 03:31 PM

**Bluebell** · 27-01-2013, 05:06 PM

Its definately scary to think about the implications about this and I agree that I don't see how it will reduce cost for parents. If I was doubling my numbers I wouldn't want to be paid the same as what I am now - I would want to be paid more for working harder ( and going insane at the same time probably) Likewise as its been pointed out nurseries will drop staff number and reap the benefits of more income - they could reduce the cost of childcare btu this won't necessarily increase the rate of pay for the now overworked nursery staff.

**sarah707** · 27-01-2013, 08:20 PM

YOU asked... the Forum has answered!

The Childminding Forum is supporting childminders and asking the Govt to leave our early years ratios alone... and lobbying on our behalf!!

Please read this petition and promote it everywhere!

http://www.*****/en-GB/petition...s-ratios-alone

Don't forget to sign... ask parents to sign... ask nursery and pre-school contacts to sign...

We can make a difference if we work together

**TAZ** · 27-01-2013, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mouse

Elizabeth Truss MP: More Great Childcare

This seems to confirm the 29th Jan will be the day for announcements

It'll be good to know some specifics rather than speculation, however whether any concrete answers are given on Tues remains to be seen.

**rickysmiths** · 28-01-2013, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by sarah707

YOU asked... the Forum has answered!

The Childminding Forum is supporting childminders and asking the Govt to leave our early years ratios alone... and lobbying on our behalf!!

Please read this petition and promote it everywhere!

http://www.*****/en-GB/petition...s-ratios-alone

Don't forget to sign... ask parents to sign... ask nursery and pre-school contacts to sign...

We can make a difference if we work together

Sarah if I may say so. There are now two petitions on this subject being run by childminders. Is this not diluting strength? Would it not be a good idea to join forces and add weight to the campaign rather than diluting it? Angel will know where to contact the other petition which I think was started first.

**rickysmiths** · 28-01-2013, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by christine e

Oh dear I have been starred out! Anyone who want details of the petition please pm me with an email address

Yes and sadly now they have started a different one thus diluting the support. Such a shame. Please bury the hatchet for the sake of acting together as the united professional body we are all part of for the ultimate good of us all. Come on?

**miffy** · 28-01-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by rickysmiths

Yes and sadly now they have started a different one thus diluting the support. Such a shame. Please bury the hatchet for the sake of acting together as the united professional body we are all part of for the ultimate good of us all. Come on?

I've mentioned this on another thread.

How do w expect the powers that be to take us seriously if we cannot even present a united front?

Miffy xx