i have not read it anywhere on ere but if it is im sorry to repeat...

just found out last night at a training meeting that...

if you have not been inspected by Ofsted under EYFS then your inspection can be due any time after 1st Sept,

:eek: we all start from 0 cycle ... i said im not due for 1 n 1/2 to 2 years!!
but its true a lady on the meeting had her inspection just b4 september then last week got a phone call from ofsted to say we do not give notice, we dont want to know if you have mindees we are givin you 12/24 hrs notice of an inspection,,:eek:

and they turned up to say that we are are at 0 point in our 3yr cycle as EYFS is a new inspection!!!!!!!!

may the Lord Help Us..

so girls i in advance of an inspection that can happen at any time wish to say;
thank you for all your help its like a big happy family
please feel free to add your thoughts but do keep our language to english not french lol :censored:

I've heard this too but thought it was just an ugly rumour :eek:

Seriously though the poor woman - an inspection just before and just after EYFS starts that seems ludicrous

Going to hide ............. now!!!!!

Miffy xx

I've heard this too but thought it was just an ugly rumour :eek:

Seriously though the poor woman - an inspection just before and just after EYFS starts that seems ludicrous

Going to hide ............. now!!!!!

Miffy xx

Can I join you? No idea about this, where's Sarah? :eek:

Sarah has her head firmly in the sand :D :laughing:


I've never heard of this tbh... all the messages coming from Ofsted say that the only reasons they will break the 3 year cycle is if there have been complaints or if they are following up on unsatisfactories or concerns from the previous cycle of inspections.

They may have changed their minds I suppose, but it's unlikely because they are catching up from industrial action over a pay dispute... plus they are busy with learning about Eyfs and all the pre reg visits etc.

I wonder if the person you were speaking to didn't tell you the full story Andrea?

If you haven't heard this it cant be true :laughing: ( I hope)!

If you haven't heard this it cant be true :laughing: ( I hope)!

I hope you're right!!!!!!

Miffy xx

Sarah has her head firmly in the sand :D :laughing:


I've never heard of this tbh... all the messages coming from Ofsted say that the only reasons they will break the 3 year cycle is if there have been complaints or if they are following up on unsatisfactories or concerns from the previous cycle of inspections.

They may have changed their minds I suppose, but it's unlikely because they are catching up from industrial action over a pay dispute... plus they are busy with learning about Eyfs and all the pre reg visits etc.

I wonder if the person you were speaking to didn't tell you the full story Andrea?

I SAID THIS at the meeting and nearly all of us burst into out rage,
she got a good in her last inspection and the EYFS a good so up the ofsted office lol
i said after the meeting, to my network coordinator tell me was there something else like a follow up to a recommendantion, but no sorry girls n boys its all true our cycle starts from 0 well we could have cryed and the panic on our faces:eek: so we all stayed almost half an hr talking about it as you do a little moan ere n there,,

i said if they turned up at my home i would tell the inspector that ms andrea08 is not at home and to come at a more convieniant time pmsl

well how are they to know if i am in or not if they dont ask 4 notice!!
arrrrr still feel mad about it they should have informed us by post of the changes just as we have to inform them of our changes!

there has to be others that know of this if not ill try get my network co to make a post to clear some questions up as we are NOT HAPPY

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Is all I can say

it probaly varies again depending on what area you live in. Surely we are all ready for EYFS, probably gone over board and they didn't expect us to do so much !!

I had a letter this week from Licolnshire bods (upstairs it's downstairs so I will confirm tomorrow)

They are putting

newbies, concerns, inadiquates, satisfactorys before anyone else, then they will move on to the goods ect!

saying that I'm due end this year so am ready just incase:panic:

SORRY RUBY,,,CHANGE OF SUBJECT just noticed your not a syler fan noooooo

I spoke to our local specialist - your friend Sarah and she said that what she heard was something similar and that they are talking about doing unannounced visits and their way around minders being out is that they are going to hit areas and call on all the minders in that area until they find somone in - ****** hell its a nightmare and a mine field - hands up to everyone who has everything in place that they need or would like to have in place.

SORRY RUBY,,,CHANGE OF SUBJECT just noticed your not a syler fan noooooo

No I AM:laughing:

ok its wednesday and its my night to spend time wid my son so ill be bk l8r but i had to post this ,,,

Reg no. 153237
date of inspection......31/3/08
date of inspection.......29/9/08

6 months Later!!!!

it can happen to any one of us and no its not in areas

also i noticed on one report it mentioned the full name of the childminder:eek: didnt think they were allowed to use our full names?

theres another thread on tonight wid a link to ofsted's reports happy reading
and ill look in later

just cana stay away ALL night lol

Can't say I've heard anything regarding this :rolleyes: i'll see what i can find out

seems this is just a rumour, looked into it and not found anything supporting any of whats mentioned above

i dont start rumours and would not worry people for no reason, i mentioned it because it is happening and it upset the lady in question as she only had a few weeks to put EYFS into practice as she was not allowed to use any EYFS materials or posters and had to show continued work on Birth to Three before 1st sept and her inspection on the old system.
we were very happy for her as she got a Good on the EYFS System but some of our childminders are still struggling to understand it never mind putting it into practice.
why Ofsted would inspect someone only in the summer of 08 and give a Good would they inspect again in Oct 08 ??? has ofsted gone mad if it was unsatisfactory then ok but a Good !!!???

we are going grey with worry no wonder so many are giving notice and leaving the job
x

seems this is just a rumour, looked into it and not found anything supporting any of whats mentioned above

come on JB, thats not fair:mad:

Andrea is sharing her experince from her area and I am gratefully to her, and shared with everyone above what information I have through my MY local NCMA

seems this is just a rumour, looked into it and not found anything supporting any of whats mentioned above

Are you an inspector or married to one. You always seem to reply to Ofsted threads without giving links or sources? Just wondered.:D

seems this is just a rumour, looked into it and not found anything supporting any of whats mentioned above

Really, where??

Maybe you can tell us then we can all check and put our minds at rest.

Hi I have not heard anything about this, but it could be true as I have only been registered for 1 month and thought I was safe for 6 months till my inspection, but I had a phone call from Ofsted today asking if I was minding any children yet and I said no, and they said I had to call them when I start.

Not sure if this is just a routine thing they do to new childminders or if I had of said yes I did have children that it would have been an inspection:panic: .

I will look into this as it would be nice to know.

Thanks Kelly

Even my NCMA co ordinator is saying this is the case so it is coming from somewhere high up :rolleyes:

dear forum friends thank you for reading my thread, i realy didnt want to worry anyone just wanted us all to know what had happened in my network,

like one member said ,,, we are working so hard im sure we will all do well in an inspection,
and i think we or rather ME is worried about letting the side down,
too many reports about bad childminders and not enough reports about us hard working dedicated childminders that have put up with the changes over the years and are still working harder every day, ON OUR OWN,

well,,, we not alone anymore as i relised tonight i have a forum family and we are very greatful to the members who support us newbiees, to thoes who started this forum and are a full members from all the rest of us
Thank you xx

Are you an inspector or married to one. You always seem to reply to Ofsted threads without giving links or sources? Just wondered.:D

I just have one locked in the basement! they won't try giving me satisfactory again!

I just have one locked in the basement! they won't try giving me satisfactory again!

Really?!

Can we all pay him/her a visit to get our own back :D

Really?!

Can we all pay him/her a visit to get our own back :D

He requests I'd have to do a risk assesment for each person / sharp object carried down there! naturally i'd oblige but that's alot of paperwork!

I just have one locked in the basement! they won't try giving me satisfactory again!

hi joe , didnt want to sound cross on my post,
Inspectors prob do visit forums like this to see what we are feeling, thinking and doing to improve our services?

it would be nice if inspectors looked at us as the careing people we are and how hard we work!

we are not large nurserys or schools with staff cleaners, cooks, lunch supervisers, office staff, care takers, locksmiths (dont ask lol)
we are a one man band all singing and dancing ,

the SEF mentions the word CHILDMINDER once, we are not 2nd class childcare we are 1st class as we work more one to one than any other setting.

with out this forum i would have packed in a few weeks ago and im still finding it all overwhelming but im working hard because of moments when a little girl huggs me and say "I Love You, Thank you xxx"

i love this job think we all do but it would be nice if Ofsted understood us and if we could have our own SEF and inspection style and not judged the same way as schools and nurserys.

sorry to go on a bit , its been a hard week , moving in with sarah707 for a while ... she dont know it yet but im packing my bags and gettin a bus ticket in the morning ,,,:ROFL1: :littleangel: :p

moving in with sarah707 for a while ... she dont know it yet but im packing my bags and gettin a bus ticket in the morning ,,,:ROFL1: :littleangel: :p


I'll arm wrestle you for the spare bed :laughing:

I'll arm wrestle you for the spare bed :laughing:

You two fight it out for the spare bed. I am sleeping next to her in case she talks any pearls of wisdom in her sleep. :laughing: ;)

:ROFL1: hay you two how is it that a very serious thread ends up with bed swopping does sarah even know we are fighting for her :laughing: :ROFL1:

dear twinkles and annie
i have dibs first , the woman knows everything, she goes hunting childminders and poaches us from other forums and then keeps us addicted to this one lol, she doesn't sleep or rest, her brain is full of answers to tell the truth i think she secretly works for the goverment :ROFL1:

ohhh lets drink and be merry as tomorrow is an other day,

sorry sarah only joking its coz we love youuuu

:ROFL1: hay you two how is it that a very serious thread ends up with bed swopping does sarah even know we are fighting for her :laughing: :ROFL1:

dear twinkles and annie
i have dibs first , the woman knows everything, she goes hunting childminders and poaches us from other forums and then keeps us addicted to this one lol, she doesn't sleep or rest, her brain is full of answers to tell the truth i think she secretly works for the goverment :ROFL1:

ohhh lets drink and be merry as tomorrow is an other day,

sorry sarah only joking its coz we love youuuu

That's fighting talk Andrea. http://easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-fighting-smileys-763.gif (http://easyfreesmileys.com/)

pistols at dawn hun pmsl

does sarah even know we fighting for her lol no joke it is good to cool things off with a good laugh this job can be hard enough and i have the grey hairs to prove it.

i ,, when joined the forum , was surprised how many of us needed help and support, still not sure who the BOSS is ?/ is it a lady called PAULA?

wish i could come on your christmas DOOOO, joined too late and its too far away but ill rase my glass with you all on the night, we need a thread on the same night /one of the party gowers will have to keep us informed xx

pistols at dawn hun pmsl

does sarah even know we fighting for her lol no joke it is good to cool things off with a good laugh this job can be hard enough and i have the grey hairs to prove it.

i ,, when joined the forum , was surprised how many of us needed help and support, still not sure who the BOSS is ?/ is it a lady called PAULA?

wish i could come on your christmas DOOOO, joined too late and its too far away but ill rase my glass with you all on the night, we need a thread on the same night /one of the party gowers will have to keep us informed xx

Pauline is Da Boss. :panic: You dont want to upset her. Once she turned the forum off and made us all .........................................


































DO IRONING. :panic: :panic: :panic:

:eek: :eek: :eek: SHE DIDNT OMG

no little man on all 4's kissing ground pauline walks on,,,:blush:
she must know how addicted we are how could she do that to you?

ohhhh pauline the wise one we praise you for your kindness and wisdom we offer fruit at 5-a-day your forum friends are kind and helpful,

this is no p''/'[ take we are very greatful i realy dont know where i would be if sarah had not found me n sent me ere,

every1 has helped with obs forms /parent permission forms and loads of gd stuff and coffee breaks in the jokes room,

wish i could meet up with the people on ere x

wish i could meet up with the people on ere x

We're meeting in Brum before Christmas :)

Miffy xx

And Cheshire Oaks for those who can make a daytime get together

http://www.childmindinghelp.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17463

Why not come along for a gossip? It's not that far from you...

M55... M6 past me :D ... short hop on the M56 down to the M53...

All motorway and probably just over an hour... :D

a minder in our area had hers in june and got outstanding,she had a phoncall last week to say that she should expect a visit this month, she questioned them as to why if she got outstanding she was being inspected so soon as she also had been under the impression that it would be done newbies, satifactory,good etc in that order ,the reason her inspector gave her was although in theory they are doing it in that order, as it is as new for them as it is for us they need to redo outstanding, good etc so soon so that they can get a broad spectrum of settings to work with to make sure that they are being fair to everyone, i guess what this means is if you got good 6 months ago they think you are probably "good" still, but need to reinspect to make sure their grading works still (iyswim), also i think it depends on the area and inspector, i had mine monday and 2 of the local pre-schools were also done this week all by the same inspector also my sons primary school but by different inspectors.

And Cheshire Oaks for those who can make a daytime get together

http://www.childmindinghelp.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17463

Why not come along for a gossip? It's not that far from you...

M55... M6 past me :D ... short hop on the M56 down to the M53...

All motorway and probably just over an hour... :D

oh sounds good but all thoes motorways :eek: not very good on them BIG trucks n bad weather im a wimp lol but ill look out for a get together closer to home i might start a thread later and see how many live in my area, we have good pubs and restarants so i could temp some people to come?

hope you dont mind the banta sarah lol

Just had a look at the inspection dates you listed up there on the ofsted website, if you read the one from march, seems they got inadequates in there inspection, which is why they would have recieved one 6 months down the line!

hope that calms the fears ! :thumbsup:

i spoke to my local ncma co-ordinator ... she and none of her collegues have heard anything! she was going to chase however, and let me know what she found out! i'll pass it on!

x

Just had a look at the inspection dates you listed up there on the ofsted website, if you read the one from march, seems they got inadequates in there inspection, which is why they would have recieved one 6 months down the line!

hope that calms the fears ! :thumbsup:

I agree from reading the reports...

Reg no. 153237

date of inspection......31/3/08

The quality and standards of the care are inadequate - notice of action to improve. The registered person does not meet the National Standards for under 8s day care and childminding.

This was with 3 satisfactories and 2 inadequates...

date of inspection.......29/9/08

All satisfactories.

Are you sure this is the right person's reports?? The childminder with this registered number lives in Guildford.

I've asked the question and have been told yes, we are all starting from 0 so you could have an EYFS inspection anytime from now up to the 3 years since you last one (unless you got inadequate when it will be sooner)

My DO had a meeting with Ofsted this week and she tells me that they are trying to get through the new pre-reg first. At the same time they are working through childminders in rotation but COULD call up anyone at anytime

Beware!

thank god its friday!!!!! :panic: looks like i'm in for some paperwork over the weekend :blush:
ah well, could be worse.... couldn't it.... ok so i was expecting an inspection in jan/feb at it'll be 7 months from registration, but its not like they're monsters, well my pre-reg woman wasn't.......... i think i'm in denial! :D

but its not like they're monsters, well my pre-reg woman wasn't.......... i think i'm in denial! :D

They aren't, the majority are lovely, maybe the odd one takes things too literally but most are great :)

and at the end of the day what is the worst that can happen? You won't get inadequate because you are trying to do everything and know the rules, and to get Satisfactory means you are doing everything right.

I think we should petition for Satisfactory to be changed as it does not reflect the hard work that minders do to achieve it

I got a letter from my Childcare Development Adviser , which states this:

" Please note that the Ofsted inspection cycle has started again Ofsted are now inspecting on a 3-4 year basis. It is no longer the case that if you had an inspection in February 08, for example, that you will not get inspected again for another 3 years. Now that the inspection cycle has started again form September any childminder could be inspected in this 3-4 year cycle at any time."

So there you go.
Guess what, I have been registered for a year now and have not had my inspection yet!

I thought I had heard something about this at the EYFS training done a while ago so I got the paperwork out that we were all given and in the notes I made was told by the tutor that "anyone can be inspected at any time from the 1st September 2008 in line with the EYFS as it had been decided that they would start inspection cycle from 0, but in reality most people should have their inspection anytime within a time period of 0 - 4 years". I had forgotten about this until it was mentioned on here. The person delivering the training ( I shouldn't mention names of course because I have not spoken to her about it), is very high up in early in my area of the midlands so I suppose she should have some knowledge of it.
So yes I think we can all expect the call at anytime and not take it that it will automatically be 3 years after our last one.:( :( :(

I've been registered 6mths today and not heard a thing yet, although I had to ring Ofsted up yesterday re a variation so I guess I could have put myself in it!!

I haven't read through all the responses (so apologize if I am repeating what someone else has already said) but it's always been a 3 year cycle. Every 3 years, it starts all over again and your name could get kicked out at anytime. Previous inspections dates have NO bearing on when you'll get inspected again. What might play a factor though is your grading. I have heard they are keen to do Satisfacotries first and then move up but that's just theory. Actual fact is that our names get spit out of a copmputer system in completely random patterns and it started all over again in September.

I brought this up a long time ago actually in an old thread.

I brought this up a long time ago actually in an old thread.

Yeah but we never listen to you :laughing:

Ive emailed Ofsted asking for an answer to this debate, will post it when ( and if ) I get a reply :)

I think we should petition for Satisfactory to be changed as it does not reflect the hard work that minders do to achieve it

Here here. I totally agree! Who's in charge here?!! xx:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Yeah but we never listen to you
:laughing: No problem, I'm used to that. At least it's out there now.

I know a childminder in my area who had her last inspection in Aug 2005 and she had Satisfactory and 3 improvements to be done before next visit.

Unless she has slipped through the net ....surly ofsted would inspect her before one that has had their inspections a months or so ago

I will be very cross :angry: if i have another inspection, before she has hers

Sarah has her head firmly in the sand :D :laughing:


I've never heard of this tbh... all the messages coming from Ofsted say that the only reasons they will break the 3 year cycle is if there have been complaints or if they are following up on unsatisfactories or concerns from the previous cycle of inspections.

They may have changed their minds I suppose, but it's unlikely because they are catching up from industrial action over a pay dispute... plus they are busy with learning about Eyfs and all the pre reg visits etc.

I wonder if the person you were speaking to didn't tell you the full story Andrea?

I hade my inspection in August and was told three years unless the had reason to do it earlier. I hope thats right i havent even looked at the SEF yet!!!!:eek: :eek:

As promised, my reply from Ofsted x



Thank you for your e-mail.

The new inspection cycle began on 1st September 2008 and replaces the cycle that was in place when your inspection took place in November 2007.

We will normally inspect newly registered providers within a short period after registration has been granted (if you have children on roll). After that inspections are carried out once every three or four years.

However we will prioritise inspections where:

• The last inspection concluded that the quality of the childcare or nursery education had significant weaknesses
. There have been significant changes since the last inspection, such as appointment of a new manager, high staff turnover, or in the case of childminders, a change in premises.
. We receive information, such as a complaint about the childcare.

The outcome of each inspection is presented in a report to the provision, and is also displayed on the Ofsted website www.ofsted.gov.uk (http://childmindinghelp.co.uk/forum/) usually within 15 working days.

I hope this information is helpful to you.

Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards

Ruth Molyneux