Ofsted inspector?

[It's a small world]

Hi

I recently had my ofsted inspection and Im trying to find the name of the inspector I had as can only remember her first name. Is there any way I can find her full name?

Thank youx

[BallyH]

Hi

I recently had my ofsted inspection and Im trying to find the name of the inspector I had as can only remember her first name. Is there any way I can find her full name?

Thank youx

Phone Ofsted? I'm also assuming you haven't received your report yet as their name will be on it.

[It's a small world]

Phone Ofsted? I'm also assuming you haven't received your report yet as their name will be on it.

No I haven't want to query something . Thank you x

[sarah707]

She is likely to work for either prospect or tribal - I suggest you give them a call x

[It's a small world]

She is likely to work for either prospect or tribal - I suggest you give them a call x

If I wanted to speak to them about my inspection . Not make a complaint but comment on something would I contact ofsted or the other company. Basically I was given an action for not showing support to a family with a child under EAL. Parent wants me to speak English and they will speak home language at home. I have struggled for months to try and find resources to help child but had no luck. Even parent has said they have struggled to find resources in their home language. I am gutted that with this ONE action my grade was marked down from Good to Requires improvement. Other childminders in my area have had fantastic inspections and I know they do not do half the paperwork or activities etc that I do yet they re getting good or above. I feel like I have failed as a childminder even though all other areas were good or above.
Anyway to comply with action parent and I have devised various word cards and I have purchased picture/first word cards etc and parent has translated them for me. I have even contacted several people who have said that home language is not available in their resources.
Long shot and probably wont make a difference but wondered if I explain to ofsted how difficult it is to get resources and that parent wants me to speak just English etc but we have managed to sort something out between us whether they would note something on my report. Amend to good or re inspect me. This has really knocked my confidence and Im on a downer because of it as other cms in my area getting better grades . I am feeling really low at the moment as I know if I didn't have an EAL child my grade would've been good as inspector said because of this one area I am actioned and that Requires improvement is my grade.:panic: Don't get me wrong I really care for this child but feel my grade was unjustified even though its a requirement. :(

[Mouse]

How long ago was your inspection? Is it online yet?

[It's a small world]

How long ago was your inspection? Is it online yet?

Last Thursday :(. I appreciate that I may not support enough but hard to get resources , parents wants me to speak English with them and despite this we have devised cards between us. Like I said just this one area and im down graded. Depressing when other cms ask me how I got on and then I hear their grades and know that they don't do all the paperwork or interact with children but because on the day they do everything they should do they look good and get better grades. Its depressing and I just want to cry all the time :( Especially as I know all other areas were good x

[Rebecca Foster]

From what i remember they usually email you the next day with a rating form....that should have the name on

[bluechair84]

Hi please do tell Ofsted if you feel it's not right. I was down graded and given actions, even though my report was great. I complained to Ofsted. After a good few weeks of sleepless nights etc, I was contacted by Ofsted, the inspector hadn't carried out the inspection properly, all the actions removed and given the Outstanding she was going to give me. Needless to say, since my inspection I've had enough of Ofsted, paperwork and the fear of not 'doing enough' that I'm stopping childminding and when I tell Ofsted I have no children on roll I will tell them exactly why.

:)

[It's a small world]

Hi please do tell Ofsted if you feel it's not right. I was down graded and given actions, even though my report was great. I complained to Ofsted. After a good few weeks of sleepless nights etc, I was contacted by Ofsted, the inspector hadn't carried out the inspection properly, all the actions removed and given the Outstanding she was going to give me. Needless to say, since my inspection I've had enough of Ofsted, paperwork and the fear of not 'doing enough' that I'm stopping childminding and when I tell Ofsted I have no children on roll I will tell them exactly why.

:)
So sorry you've gone through this but well done on standing up for your beliefs. Who do I contact? Would you do it as a complaint? My report hasn't been published yet as was only last Thursday, but since then I've cried and everyone I've spoken to even though I may not have supported enough in EAL , knowing what my parents wishes were and knowing that all other areas were good feel that I have been treated wrongly being down graded because of one area.
I wish I could give up but this job works around my family.
I sometimes think maybe I do deserve to be downgraded as haven't fulfilled the requirements but then think well all other areas were good , had my other areas not been good then I could understand , but she even said couldn't fault my safeguarding etc. She was lovely it was only after I started to take everything in that she said and realised Id been downgraded. Crying now as so guttted:( I'm not even asking for outstanding just the good that I feel I deserve.
Good luck for the future and thanks again.xx

[BallyH]

So sorry you've gone through this but well done on standing up for your beliefs. Who do I contact? Would you do it as a complaint? My report hasn't been published yet as was only last Thursday, but since then I've cried and everyone I've spoken to even though I may not have supported enough in EAL , knowing what my parents wishes were and knowing that all other areas were good feel that I have been treated wrongly being down graded because of one area.
I wish I could give up but this job works around my family.
I sometimes think maybe I do deserve to be downgraded as haven't fulfilled the requirements but then think well all other areas were good , had my other areas not been good then I could understand , but she even said couldn't fault my safeguarding etc. She was lovely it was only after I started to take everything in that she said and realised Id been downgraded. Crying now as so guttted:( I'm not even asking for outstanding just the good that I feel I deserve.
Good luck for the future and thanks again.xx

Phone Ofsted and ask for advice on how you can appeal against your grade. If you can prove to them that you worked in partnership with the child's parents and they were adament that they wanted you to speak english first and foremost, then surely you are fulfilling the child's developmental needs as discussed with his/her parents. Each child is unique and so are their needs. If the parent wants you to concentrate on English then get this across to Ofsted.
Fight your corner.

[It's a small world]

Thank you for all your support everyone. I will speak to parent tomorrow and get them to write a letter stating they wish for child to learn English and were happy to continue with home language at home. Will also get them to note that we are now working together using home language in my setting even though this is not what they originally wanted. that way Ofsted can see that I was fulfilling parents request . Thank you hopefully I can turn things around. I happy to incorporate a little home language but feel its asking too much for me to learn childs language when parent wants English taught. Thank you x most appreciated.

[mumofone]

Thank you for all your support everyone. I will speak to parent tomorrow and get them to write a letter stating they wish for child to learn English and were happy to continue with home language at home. Will also get them to note that we are now working together using home language in my setting even though this is not what they originally wanted. that way Ofsted can see that I was fulfilling parents request . Thank you hopefully I can turn things around. I happy to incorporate a little home language but feel its asking too much for me to learn childs language when parent wants English taught. Thank you x most appreciated.

So sorry to hear this. May I ask what language the issue was with?
Let us know how you get on as someone recommended make sure you fight your corner. Good luck :-) xx

[mumofone]

Hi please do tell Ofsted if you feel it's not right. I was down graded and given actions, even though my report was great. I complained to Ofsted. After a good few weeks of sleepless nights etc, I was contacted by Ofsted, the inspector hadn't carried out the inspection properly, all the actions removed and given the Outstanding she was going to give me. Needless to say, since my inspection I've had enough of Ofsted, paperwork and the fear of not 'doing enough' that I'm stopping childminding and when I tell Ofsted I have no children on roll I will tell them exactly why. :)

Oh my goodness, well done for following up with them. How did they come to the conclusion that the inspection hadn't been carried out correctly? That's dreadful to think there are inspectors not doing their job properly :-( xx

[It's a small world]

So sorry to hear this. May I ask what language the issue was with?
Let us know how you get on as someone recommended make sure you fight your corner. Good luck :-) xx
Inspector said I don't support as don't use cards/ visual aids or speak child's language - latvian. Even parent struggled to find resources to help. When playing with mindee I talk to them and say what we are playing with and hold it up etc ie- ball, doll, book - point to pictures in book and so on. Same with food I say what it is - toast, yoghurt, Milk etc so they know what it is. But from how inspector came across it was as though I had to learn latvian! Even though parent wants me to speak English. Child has come on so much since being with me. Never attended any social, groups, mixed with others, got upset when people went near them. Now they play happily majority of the time. Socialise with other children in my care. Surely this child's development and self awareness, making relationships etc is just as important but this didn't seem to make a diff. I don't support in home language 😞 and had them for 9 months so should be doing something x got parent to write a letter stating they want me to speak English to mindee and that mindee has developed so much in the time they've been with me.

[Simona]

If I wanted to speak to them about my inspection . Not make a complaint but comment on something would I contact ofsted or the other company. Basically I was given an action for not showing support to a family with a child under EAL. Parent wants me to speak English and they will speak home language at home. I have struggled for months to try and find resources to help child but had no luck. Even parent has said they have struggled to find resources in their home language. I am gutted that with this ONE action my grade was marked down from Good to Requires improvement. Other childminders in my area have had fantastic inspections and I know they do not do half the paperwork or activities etc that I do yet they re getting good or above. I feel like I have failed as a childminder even though all other areas were good or above.
Anyway to comply with action parent and I have devised various word cards and I have purchased picture/first word cards etc and parent has translated them for me. I have even contacted several people who have said that home language is not available in their resources.
Long shot and probably wont make a difference but wondered if I explain to ofsted how difficult it is to get resources and that parent wants me to speak just English etc but we have managed to sort something out between us whether they would note something on my report. Amend to good or re inspect me. This has really knocked my confidence and Im on a downer because of it as other cms in my area getting better grades . I am feeling really low at the moment as I know if I didn't have an EAL child my grade would've been good as inspector said because of this one area I am actioned and that Requires improvement is my grade.:panic: Don't get me wrong I really care for this child but feel my grade was unjustified even though its a requirement. :(

You will have the opportunity to raise any worries once you get your inspection report...but you have to act fast if you feel you want to raise a 'complaint'
You should also have been given a feedback form to send back to either Prospects or Tribal...put your concerns in there.

If you have received RI Ofsted will inform your EY team and they will be duty bound to support you.

If you have any child with additional needs....although EAL is not an additional need...but you can do with the EY team giving you support so that child gets to schools with some improvement in the language

Good luck!

[mumofone]

I would always worry great complaining would backfire and you may get downgraded even more or get a worse report as a result

[Simona]

I would always worry great complaining would backfire and you may get downgraded even more or get a worse report as a result

I am afraid that is not correct...Ofsted have been aware in the past of outsourced inspectors making the wrong decisions and judgement...hence the reason OBC was created.

It has worked and there are clear guidelines to follow when we are unhappy about an inspection.
The EY team will support anyone needing to go through this procedures...the Ofsted guidelines on this are available and all cms should know what they can do if they feel they have been judged wrongly....it is based on facts and the actual report.

You will not be judged even worse just because you raise a complaint...it depends on whether the complaint is upheld by Ofsted after investigations.

[mumofone]

Sorry I didn't mean that you shouldn't complain either- just that I, personally would be nervous to.

[Simona]

Sorry I didn't mean that you shouldn't complain either- just that I, personally would be nervous to.

Judging by those who had to go through the experience it can be very stressing ...but...help is at hand.

Your EY team would guide you as would a representing association if you belong to one.
PLA has clear documentation on what we need to do and they would support us too!

[It's a small world]

Im still trying to get hold of Ofsted. Thank you for your support. I've had no feedback form what so ever!!! Even checked my trash bin incase I deleted in error. Inspector said that all other areas were good but because they have had to action me on this area I have to be graded as 'Requires improvement' so my understanding is that should I not have had this child I would've been a good.

I will keep you all posted x Thanks again.

[It's a small world]

Will mention no feedback form when I speak to Ofsted too x

[hectors house]

You must try to fight this, ask Sarah Neville to raise this with the OBC too - if they are going to mark us down for not supporting EAL children then it will prevent childminders from taking them on in the first place - we were recently told on an EAL training course that it is important for parents to speak to child in their own language at home and for us to speak to them in English in our settings as we could be teaching them incorrect pronunciation. :angry:

[JCrakers]

Will mention no feedback form when I speak to Ofsted too x

Your feedback form should have come through at the same time as your report via email. I think you said you've not received the report yet so you wont have received the feedback form :D

[Simona]

it's a small world...these are helpful guidelines for bilinguism on the F/Years website...also there is a National Strategy document that is very good.

If you feel you have done all those and followed EYFS...and parents' wishes... then check the inspection report for factual statements...if they are not then you have reason to raise a concern
Get someone to read the report with you

Supporting Children learning English as an Additional Language | From pregnancy to children aged 5 (http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/2011/10/supporting-children-learning-english-as-an-additional-language/)

http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Supporting_Children_English_2nd_Language.pdf

[It's a small world]

[QUOTE=Simona;1411457]it's a small world...these are helpful guidelines for bilinguism on the F/Years website...also there is a National Strategy document that is very good.

If you feel you have done all those and followed EYFS...and parents' wishes... then check the inspection report for factual statements...if they are not then you have reason to raise a concern
Get someone to read the report with you

Supporting Children learning English as an Additional Language | From pregnancy to children aged 5 (http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/2011/10/supporting-children-learning-english-as-an-additional-language/)

http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Supporting_Children_English_2nd_Language.pdf[/QU

Thank you x Not sure if Im reading this right but looking at these links to me its saying I should learn the childs second language and pronunciation in order for the child to develop . Will have a proper look later. I have displays all over my house not necessarily aimed at EAL children but children who are not at the age of reading yet. I offer parent paperwork to be translated into home language (happy for it to be in English) I tried to learn basic words when child started but some words were difficult to pronounce and remember, child was quite unsettled for some time so I focused on settling them and making them become accustomed to new environments - groups for socialising and playing with different resources from those that I have at home, visits to parks for running around and climbing , visiting local lake to see wildlife birds etc. Visiting library borrowing picture books etc. So are these links saying I have to learn the basic languages and their correct pronunciation ? Do I have to have flashcards and say it in Latvian and then in English. how far do I go ? Do I have to say the Latvian word then the English word for everything? Its so confusing. I was so proud how far this child had come in 9 months from sitting in the corner crying at anyone who came near them or even looking at them, to now running around playgroups. Passing toys to other children and babbling and smiling . Yes we do have days where they may become upset because something is new but they soon adjust. Im now doubting whether I have done enough for this child even though parent does want me to speak English to them. As mentioned before it is now making me reconsider taking on children with EAL. Maybe they are better with a childminder who has EAL :crying::crying::crying::huh::huh::huh::huh:child is 19 months

What about nursery and reception and schools. Do they have to speak home language too ? They may have an assistant who has EAL . But most children regardless of nationality will speak and be spoken to in English at school I assume? So why do we have to be different. I understand they are learning home language but surely by doing this at home and me doing English in my settings they are learning both languages? The more I think about it the more I get annoyed. x

[Simona]

No...you don't have to do all that!!!...they are guidelines.
I had Chinese children but did not learn Chinese!

All we can do is ask for a few words in their home language just to help the child in case they are in need of a prompt!
I used gestures a lot, shared books from home
Of course the parents want the child to be spoken in English...that is the whole point...and Ofsted have to understand that parental wishes are paramount.
When we care for these children their bilinguism is developing...sorry I refuse to call them EAL...just a bug bear!

Bilingual children need to 'ruminate' on both languages from early on to decode...and they are good at that!
I am bilingual myself with a little French and a few Spanish words and I have never being picked up in 5 inspections.

Once I had a German parent fluent in English, German and Italian...so pick up times were rather interesting!
She gave me a long list of every day words in German and all was sorted

We must remember children go to school so young now when their language has not been given opportunities to develop fully...what we want to avoid is them being labelled as failing!!
Imagine what would happen if a child in reception with little English is the subject of the Baseline Assessment?...the ticking exercise will not help there!

[It's a small world]

No...you don't have to do all that!!!...they are guidelines.
I had Chinese children but did not learn Chinese!

All we can do is ask for a few words in their home language just to help the child in case they are in need of a prompt!
I used gestures a lot, shared books from home
Of course the parents want the child to be spoken in English...that is the whole point...and Ofsted have to understand that parental wishes are paramount.
When we care for these children their bilinguism is developing...sorry I refuse to call them EAL...just a bug bear!

Bilingual children need to 'ruminate' on both languages from early on to decode...and they are good at that!
I am bilingual myself with a little French and a few Spanish words and I have never being picked up in 5 inspections.

Once I had a German parent fluent in English, German and Italian...so pick up times were rather interesting!
She gave me a long list of every day words in German and all was sorted

We must remember children go to school so young now when their language has not been given opportunities to develop fully...what we want to avoid is them being labelled as failing!!
Imagine what would happen if a child in reception with little English is the subject of the Baseline Assessment?...the ticking exercise will not help there!

Thank you. Sorry Im just getting frustrated and everyone seems to think that I am supporting this 'bilingual' child. I did learn a few basics but as mentioned child was quiet unsettled to begin with, but have come on so much. Since Ofsted parent has provided a few extra words for me . Child is not singled out because they are bilingual all children treated the same. Children of same age are told what a particular toy is , what bird or animal we see , something in a book. sung the same songs etc . I may not say home language words but they are shown in books or placing something in hand or something is pointed out and they are told what its name is. Like at home parent will do the same but say it in home language not English. therefore child will recognise it as one name with me and one with parent. I really appreciate your advice x thank you x Hoping with everyones advice, support and parents input I have a case to appeal x thank you again x

[Simona]

Thank you. Sorry Im just getting frustrated and everyone seems to think that I am supporting this 'bilingual' child. I did learn a few basics but as mentioned child was quiet unsettled to begin with, but have come on so much. Since Ofsted parent has provided a few extra words for me . Child is not singled out because they are bilingual all children treated the same. Children of same age are told what a particular toy is , what bird or animal we see , something in a book. sung the same songs etc . I may not say home language words but they are shown in books or placing something in hand or something is pointed out and they are told what its name is. Like at home parent will do the same but say it in home language not English. therefore child will recognise it as one name with me and one with parent. I really appreciate your advice x thank you x Hoping with everyones advice, support and parents input I have a case to appeal x thank you again x

...and remember ...you know the child better than any inspector on a few hours' inspection!!

keep doing what you are doing well! :thumbsup:

[It's a small world]

...and remember ...you know the child better than any inspector on a few hours' inspection!!

keep doing what you are doing well! :thumbsup:

And said child slept for 2.5 hours out of the 3 hours 15 mins they were with me and that 45 mins included me feeding 4 children so literally 15-20mins play !!!! not enough time to say if im supporting a bilingual child or not only from paperwork !!!! xx thank you xx again x

[JCrakers]

I really feel for you Its a small world. We work so hard for our grade and for this to happen is really maddening. I hope you can sort something out

[Simona]

And said child slept for 2.5 hours out of the 3 hours 15 mins they were with me and that 45 mins included me feeding 4 children so literally 15-20mins play !!!! not enough time to say if im supporting a bilingual child or not only from paperwork !!!! xx thank you xx again x

I don't know how old the child is and the fact he has taken a long rest is really nothing to worry about....little ones vary in how much they need.
When it comes to language acquisition they are like sponges!

I came across an article/statistics yesterday about the countries in the world where English is spoken and the 'proficiency' of the population in doing so.

The Scandinavian countries come top with over 85% of proficiency...Latvia comes at 57%...not bad!!!

The problem...as I personally see it...is that children go to school too early and have not mastered both languages....no child at 2 or 3 or even 4can be fluent in both languages....I was interacting with a Reception teacher whose class is over 50% bilingual and the extra resources needed are just mind boggling!!

It took me a while to speak English properly and also understand it in writing....English is like this....spoken not the same as written...unlike my home language

While we in EY have ...or had the time to deal with this matter in the past before the 'push to school early kicked in...now is a question of having to 'rush' language acquisition because Ofsted are coming!...and then the children get labelled behind in their tests
How many of the inspectors are bilingual?

what Ofsted see on the day is not necessarily enough for them to pass judgement.

Now I am not sure where England would be in those statistics but I think that inspectors need better training in this subject.

I hope you have support if it comes to appealing against the report!

[It's a small world]

Well Ofsted have said I have 10 working days following the publication of my report. It states that my report may still be published while the investigation is looked into.

It also states alternatively I can email enquiries@ofsted.gov.uk or write to them.

My parent has written a lovely letter saying that they wish for me to speak to their child in English and that by me not speaking home language has had no effect on childs development. They have explained that they will continue to speak home language at home and how happy they are about the care I provide for their child . They mention how I communicate with them and tell them about their child's day. That we work together and discuss all aspects of child's development . They've also commented that they feel living in England it is important for a child to learn English during everyday communication and they would like me to speak English foremost. They have concluded that they will be happy if I wish to learn the basic words if I choose.

They have provided numerous words and phrases for me so in conclusion I am respecting the parents wishes to speak English foremost (which I feel Ofsted should take into account as two people have pointed out (first person from this forum) that if Ofsted are downgrading because we don't learn a childs language then they would not take on a bilingual child. At the same time I am learning the basics of the home language (as inspector requested) but feel that I should not have been marked down because I didn't initially as I was fulfilling parents request. Maybe make suggestions but not an action ..that's harsh, especially as I have never had a bilingual child before. Must point out inspector owned a nursery so can probably afford to bring a bilingual member of staff in or be able to afford resources that I cant.

Thank you for all your support. Thinking of seeing how things are worded in report which should come through any day now and then make my appeal (don't like the word complaint). I will see if I can send evidence such as parents letter and the flash cards we have devised between us.

Wish me luck I will keep you posted xx

[Simona]

Well Ofsted have said I have 10 working days following the publication of my report. It states that my report may still be published while the investigation is looked into.

It also states alternatively I can email enquiries@ofsted.gov.uk or write to them.

My parent has written a lovely letter saying that they wish for me to speak to their child in English and that by me not speaking home language has had no effect on childs development. They have explained that they will continue to speak home language at home and how happy they are about the care I provide for their child . They mention how I communicate with them and tell them about their child's day. That we work together and discuss all aspects of child's development . They've also commented that they feel living in England it is important for a child to learn English during everyday communication and they would like me to speak English foremost. They have concluded that they will be happy if I wish to learn the basic words if I choose.

They have provided numerous words and phrases for me so in conclusion I am respecting the parents wishes to speak English foremost (which I feel Ofsted should take into account as two people have pointed out (first person from this forum) that if Ofsted are downgrading because we don't learn a childs language then they would not take on a bilingual child. At the same time I am learning the basics of the home language (as inspector requested) but feel that I should not have been marked down because I didn't initially as I was fulfilling parents request. Maybe make suggestions but not an action ..that's harsh, especially as I have never had a bilingual child before. Must point out inspector owned a nursery so can probably afford to bring a bilingual member of staff in or be able to afford resources that I cant.

Thank you for all your support. Thinking of seeing how things are worded in report which should come through any day now and then make my appeal (don't like the word complaint). I will see if I can send evidence such as parents letter and the flash cards we have devised between us.

Wish me luck I will keep you posted xx


I wish you all the luck in the world ...but...I have one concern?

I am not 100% sure about your report being published 'before' your concerns have been looked into?

Please contact your association if you have one or anyone in EY team who can help you
I will try to find out...yes you have time to appeal but also look at the Ofsted complaints procedures...sorry I don't have it in front of me or know which reference number it has.

Unfortunately there is habit of turning an appeal into a complaint in our society...I feel for you....but stay focused and determined!

[It's a small world]

I don't know how old the child is and the fact he has taken a long rest is really nothing to worry about....little ones vary in how much they need.
When it comes to language acquisition they are like sponges!

I came across an article/statistics yesterday about the countries in the world where English is spoken and the 'proficiency' of the population in doing so.

The Scandinavian countries come top with over 85% of proficiency...Latvia comes at 57%...not bad!!!

The problem...as I personally see it...is that children go to school too early and have not mastered both languages....no child at 2 or 3 or even 4can be fluent in both languages....I was interacting with a Reception teacher whose class is over 50% bilingual and the extra resources needed are just mind boggling!!

It took me a while to speak English properly and also understand it in writing....English is like this....spoken not the same as written...unlike my home language

While we in EY have ...or had the time to deal with this matter in the past before the 'push to school early kicked in...now is a question of having to 'rush' language acquisition because Ofsted are coming!...and then the children get labelled behind in their tests
How many of the inspectors are bilingual?

what Ofsted see on the day is not necessarily enough for them to pass judgement.

Now I am not sure where England would be in those statistics but I think that inspectors need better training in this subject.

I hope you have support if it comes to appealing against the report!


Hi child is 21 months . Been with me just under 9 months and from what I can gather no English contact previously so for me to learn a lot of Latvian is a big ask Yes I did learn a couple of basics but parent wanted English so I focused on that, I don't earn lots so between parent and I we have devised flash cards and parent translated main ones. But to be honest me showing a flash card is no different to showing and telling child when playing in reality IE: Ball, doll, duck, book etc. It's not easy when Im trying to care for other children and my own family at the same time and do all the paperwork involved in childminding .I agree its crazy finding resources especially when we have to pay for them ourselves.There are so many bilingual families living in England now. Be interesting to read the article. Still don't think I should be penalised because I didn't have flash cards or know every word for every toy or resources in my house x I agree how many inspectors are bilingual ,especially as mine ran a nursery !! be also interesting to see how many other childminders have been pulled up on this area or how their inspectors marked them for their interaction with child who are bilingual. I truly believe each inspector has their own way of inspecting regardless of rules and formats they have to follow x

[Simona]

Hi child is 21 months . Been with me just under 9 months and from what I can gather no English contact previously so for me to learn a lot of Latvian is a big ask Yes I did learn a couple of basics but parent wanted English so I focused on that, I don't earn lots so between parent and I we have devised flash cards and parent translated main ones. But to be honest me showing a flash card is no different to showing and telling child when playing in reality IE: Ball, doll, duck, book etc. It's not easy when Im trying to care for other children and my own family at the same time and do all the paperwork involved in childminding .I agree its crazy finding resources especially when we have to pay for them ourselves.There are so many bilingual families living in England now. Be interesting to read the article. Still don't think I should be penalised because I didn't have flash cards or know every word for every toy or resources in my house x I agree how many inspectors are bilingual ,especially as mine ran a nursery !! be also interesting to see how many other childminders have been pulled up on this area or how their inspectors marked them for their interaction with child who are bilingual. I truly believe each inspector has their own way of inspecting regardless of rules and formats they have to follow x

I feel it is best to wait for your report then you can look at how the inspector has worded her observations and arrived at that grade
Remember your report has to go to Ofsted QA first...they may change their view on the inspector's grade...that is why we are usually advised not to reveal the grade awarded by an inspector.

I don't think you need to have dozens of resources to support bilinguism...neither do you need to speak so many words in their language

The main aim of this is to stop inspectors making 'individual judgements...that is why it is of paramount importance to have looked at the descriptors and how inspectors grade us...have you looked at the grade descriptors in reference to this issue?
Take a look but until you get your report it can be difficult...stay calm...help will be at hand.

[It's a small world]

I feel it is best to wait for your report then you can look at how the inspector has worded her observations and arrived at that grade
Remember your report has to go to Ofsted QA first...they may change their view on the inspector's grade...that is why we are usually advised not to reveal the grade awarded by an inspector.

I don't think you need to have dozens of resources to support bilinguism...neither do you need to speak so many words in their language

The main aim of this is to stop inspectors making 'individual judgements...that is why it is of paramount importance to have looked at the descriptors and how inspectors grade us...have you looked at the grade descriptors in reference to this issue

Take a look but until you get your report it can be difficult...stay calm...help will be at hand.



8775

I personally do not feel that by me not speaking in child's home language in any way effects the support I offer in their development. Behaviour or welfare. Inspector said safeguarding was good no actions or comment made xx I feel an inspector cannot judge me on paperwork alone. Inspection was with me for 3.5 hrs child slept for all but 30-45 mins and that included feeding lunch x apart from paperwork which was in order, how can they say I do not support child's development when theyve seen learning journal etc and only witnessed me interacting with child for 15 mins?

Thank you so much for your help and advice x it's most appreciated. Xx

[bluechair84]

sorry for a delay in replying lost my last post.

Yes wait for your report then officially complain or question your report. I found PACEY very supportive, although they did say it's unlikely to change my grade etc etc. But I fought Ofsted and won, so glad I did. The inspector hadn't looked at all the evidence.

If you feel you have supported this child do argue your report. It's very unfair that inspectors can get away with completing less than acceptable inspections. We're put under so much pressure and most of us work very hard to provide a good service, along side running a home and family.

My inspections was a long 3 hours, I'm well qualified and very experienced.....all that was shattered after my inspection. My report was Outsatnding but my grade was Requires Improvement with actions. I completely disagreed with the actions and for me, that was the beginning of the end.

I fought not only for myself but for fellow childminders, my actions were removed and grade changed to Outstanding.

Sadly, since this episode I have decided to stop childminding because for Ofsted and the inspectors it feels like it's never going to be enough, fed up with my home looking like a nursery-the inspector wanted posters up, everything out, quiet areas, all of which I have( I have a small house) My home and garden is dedicated to childminding. Well it's enough, I'm finally putting my family first and well done Ofsted, you have lost yet another excellent childminder.

Rant over (sorry) Please fight it if it's unjust, good luck let us know how it goes

[It's a small world]

Absolutely gutted. Just got my report through and it makes me look like I am not fulfilling my job properly. :crying: Mentions that I don't work with other settings: nursery. I have a form that I have completed and handed it in this week purely on the basis that said child attended another childminder who completed a transition form for nursery ( I forgot to mention this) . Majority of report keeps referring to must meet requirements of two way flow information with parents and other providers . I do not provide sufficient opportunities for younger children to develop their communication skills and explore their range of early words. Make the most of opportunities offered through other professionals to support children in their learning . Gutted isn't the word. It makes me look incompetent and I really just want to quit now. Contradicts itself. Says I don't support children who have English as a second language - yet then states Attend groups where they mix with other children from a variety of different cultures. This helps them develop social skills and learn about diversity (ok so I don't speak Latvian but child is learning about others) . My weaker knowledge of how to support a child who speaks English as an additional language has a negative impact on some of the childrens onging progress. How can she judge me and come to this conclusion when I sat and played with child for 15 mins in between making lunch, feeding said child and then the rest of inspection the child slept :(

Couldn't feel any lower :( I am going to argue my case as the wording is not acceptable. I work with parents I send them newsletters, photos, talk to them , text them etc :crying::crying::crying::crying: Sorry but I am really feeling low and angry right now.. :(

[mumofone]

sorry for a delay in replying lost my last post. Yes wait for your report then officially complain or question your report. I found PACEY very supportive, although they did say it's unlikely to change my grade etc etc. But I fought Ofsted and won, so glad I did. The inspector hadn't looked at all the evidence. If you feel you have supported this child do argue your report. It's very unfair that inspectors can get away with completing less than acceptable inspections. We're put under so much pressure and most of us work very hard to provide a good service, along side running a home and family. My inspections was a long 3 hours, I'm well qualified and very experienced.....all that was shattered after my inspection. My report was Outsatnding but my grade was Requires Improvement with actions. I completely disagreed with the actions and for me, that was the beginning of the end. I fought not only for myself but for fellow childminders, my actions were removed and grade changed to Outstanding. Sadly, since this episode I have decided to stop childminding because for Ofsted and the inspectors it feels like it's never going to be enough, fed up with my home looking like a nursery-the inspector wanted posters up, everything out, quiet areas, all of which I have( I have a small house) My home and garden is dedicated to childminding. Well it's enough, I'm finally putting my family first and well done Ofsted, you have lost yet another excellent childminder. Rant over (sorry) Please fight it if it's unjust, good luck let us know how it goes

Oh my goodness, I find it so awful that this happens :-( You poor thing :-(
I honestly don't get how they can grade you low and then switch to grading you outstanding? Surely that stinks of their incompetence and they should get fired?? It's ironic it is the childminder that suffers and ends up quitting and not the inspector who didn't carry out their job properly.

What had they criticised specifically and how were you able to prove otherwise?

X

[mumofone]

Absolutely gutted. Just got my report through and it makes me look like I am not fulfilling my job properly. :crying: Mentions that I don't work with other settings: nursery. I have a form that I have completed and handed it in this week purely on the basis that said child attended another childminder who completed a transition form for nursery ( I forgot to mention this) . Majority of report keeps referring to must meet requirements of two way flow information with parents and other providers . I do not provide sufficient opportunities for younger children to develop their communication skills and explore their range of early words. Make the most of opportunities offered through other professionals to support children in their learning . Gutted isn't the word. It makes me look incompetent and I really just want to quit now. Contradicts itself. Says I don't support children who have English as a second language - yet then states Attend groups where they mix with other children from a variety of different cultures. This helps them develop social skills and learn about diversity (ok so I don't speak Latvian but child is learning about others) . My weaker knowledge of how to support a child who speaks English as an additional language has a negative impact on some of the childrens onging progress. How can she judge me and come to this conclusion when I sat and played with child for 15 mins in between making lunch, feeding said child and then the rest of inspection the child slept :( Couldn't feel any lower :( I am going to argue my case as the wording is not acceptable. I work with parents I send them newsletters, photos, talk to them , text them etc :crying::crying::crying::crying: Sorry but I am really feeling low and angry right now.. :(

You poor thing. Bluechair fought and won to improve her grade so I hope you find the energy and courage to do the same :-) Don't let them get away with it! Good luck xx

[loocyloo]

Oh honey, thinking of you and wishing you all the strength and support you need to get this sorted.

xxx

[Simona]

Absolutely gutted. Just got my report through and it makes me look like I am not fulfilling my job properly. :crying: Mentions that I don't work with other settings: nursery. I have a form that I have completed and handed it in this week purely on the basis that said child attended another childminder who completed a transition form for nursery ( I forgot to mention this) . Majority of report keeps referring to must meet requirements of two way flow information with parents and other providers . I do not provide sufficient opportunities for younger children to develop their communication skills and explore their range of early words. Make the most of opportunities offered through other professionals to support children in their learning . Gutted isn't the word. It makes me look incompetent and I really just want to quit now. Contradicts itself. Says I don't support children who have English as a second language - yet then states Attend groups where they mix with other children from a variety of different cultures. This helps them develop social skills and learn about diversity (ok so I don't speak Latvian but child is learning about others) . My weaker knowledge of how to support a child who speaks English as an additional language has a negative impact on some of the childrens onging progress. How can she judge me and come to this conclusion when I sat and played with child for 15 mins in between making lunch, feeding said child and then the rest of inspection the child slept :(

Couldn't feel any lower :( I am going to argue my case as the wording is not acceptable. I work with parents I send them newsletters, photos, talk to them , text them etc :crying::crying::crying::crying: Sorry but I am really feeling low and angry right now.. :(

Get someone to read your report as I suggested before...someone 'detached' who can sieve through the meaning of the report....you may feel very negative at the moment.
You must identify if the report is 'factual'...that is very important.

Get in touch with your EY team as they will have received notification of your grade and must now support you.
They will also advice how to raise your complaint if that is what you want to do.
Have you got the guidance on complaints about Ofsted inspections? Do you belong to Pacey or PLA? They would also help you.

We feel for you and will offer any support you need.

[BallyH]

Absolutely gutted. Just got my report through and it makes me look like I am not fulfilling my job properly. :crying: Mentions that I don't work with other settings: nursery. I have a form that I have completed and handed it in this week purely on the basis that said child attended another childminder who completed a transition form for nursery ( I forgot to mention this) . Majority of report keeps referring to must meet requirements of two way flow information with parents and other providers . I do not provide sufficient opportunities for younger children to develop their communication skills and explore their range of early words. Make the most of opportunities offered through other professionals to support children in their learning . Gutted isn't the word. It makes me look incompetent and I really just want to quit now. Contradicts itself. Says I don't support children who have English as a second language - yet then states Attend groups where they mix with other children from a variety of different cultures. This helps them develop social skills and learn about diversity (ok so I don't speak Latvian but child is learning about others) . My weaker knowledge of how to support a child who speaks English as an additional language has a negative impact on some of the childrens onging progress. How can she judge me and come to this conclusion when I sat and played with child for 15 mins in between making lunch, feeding said child and then the rest of inspection the child slept :(

Couldn't feel any lower :( I am going to argue my case as the wording is not acceptable. I work with parents I send them newsletters, photos, talk to them , text them etc :crying::crying::crying::crying: Sorry but I am really feeling low and angry right now.. :(

Wow. Sending you a big hug. Find your voice to get the wording your deserve. Be strong.

[It's a small world]

Well I left it a day and then re-read my report and although some of it (the strengths were ok) the action and requires improvement really made me look bad. Someone else looked at me and said it doesn't read good and that they contradict themselves in places saying I do not follow such a thing but then say how good I do something ie: 'do not encourage all childrens communication skills effectively (particularly EAL children)' but then states I read enthusiastically to the children , engages them in a positive way they recognise print in the books and join in repeating the words. Childminder talks to children and involves them in thoughtful conversation this helps with their thinking and problem solving. She can't judge communication skills with bilingual child as didn't observe me long enough with them. This is all based on me saying I do not speak childs home language.

Wording not great. Stated that I don't gather enough information when a child starts. Inspector never mentioned this to me just asked how I gathered information to start but didn't say it wasn't enough. I explained that one child came from another cm and no paperwork was passed on to me or parent as no paperwork (LJ) were completed by cm and parent never received any arts or crafts etc that the child did whilst with them. So I have to work on what the parent tells me then devise my own starting point.

Another comment states that by my lack of knowledge on how to support a child who is bilingual has a 'negative' impact on some of the children's ongoing progress( this was established by chatting to me and seeing me interact with child for all of 10-15minutes).

Any way spoke to my EY development officer and sent them a copy of my report and outlined where I feel it is unjustified. They have said that I must be devastated by the report and that if I choose to appeal I should have enough information that I have provided and to get the complaint in quickly.

So yesterday I completed the form. Noted the actions and where I feel it wasn't acceptable and backed this up with evidence etc.

So now it's just a waiting game. My Ey officer explained its unlikely my grade will be overturned but at least I know I haven't just sat back and that I have done something.

I also noted that despite me not agreeing with the action 100% or how it is worded I have proceeded to work on these actions and made the necessary changes.

Will keep you updated as I am updated.

Thank you for all your support and advice xx

[JCrakers]

Feel really mad for you.

Hopefully you can turn your anger into a way of driving you forward.
So sad to hear about Bluechair...what a loss!

I'm not an Ofsted fan at all...They obviously do a lot of good work to improve schools and settings but equally they can make childminders feel so low and feel like giving up.

Keep going, you have lots of support here. If you were a bad childminder you wouldn't care how you did...but you do care, so that says you are committed to your work.

[Simona]

Well I left it a day and then re-read my report and although some of it (the strengths were ok) the action and requires improvement really made me look bad. Someone else looked at me and said it doesn't read good and that they contradict themselves in places saying I do not follow such a thing but then say how good I do something ie: 'do not encourage all childrens communication skills effectively (particularly EAL children)' but then states I read enthusiastically to the children , engages them in a positive way they recognise print in the books and join in repeating the words. Childminder talks to children and involves them in thoughtful conversation this helps with their thinking and problem solving. She can't judge communication skills with bilingual child as didn't observe me long enough with them. This is all based on me saying I do not speak childs home language.

Wording not great. Stated that I don't gather enough information when a child starts. Inspector never mentioned this to me just asked how I gathered information to start but didn't say it wasn't enough. I explained that one child came from another cm and no paperwork was passed on to me or parent as no paperwork (LJ) were completed by cm and parent never received any arts or crafts etc that the child did whilst with them. So I have to work on what the parent tells me then devise my own starting point.

Another comment states that by my lack of knowledge on how to support a child who is bilingual has a 'negative' impact on some of the children's ongoing progress( this was established by chatting to me and seeing me interact with child for all of 10-15minutes).

Any way spoke to my EY development officer and sent them a copy of my report and outlined where I feel it is unjustified. They have said that I must be devastated by the report and that if I choose to appeal I should have enough information that I have provided and to get the complaint in quickly.

So yesterday I completed the form. Noted the actions and where I feel it wasn't acceptable and backed this up with evidence etc.

So now it's just a waiting game. My Ey officer explained its unlikely my grade will be overturned but at least I know I haven't just sat back and that I have done something.

I also noted that despite me not agreeing with the action 100% or how it is worded I have proceeded to work on these actions and made the necessary changes.

Will keep you updated as I am updated.

Thank you for all your support and advice xx

Your EY team should not preempt what the complaint Result wil be.
in the past ...yes...few were upheld but Ofsted have changed their guidance....they are also aware there are still problems with subcontracted inpectors.

I would keep positive and if you can seek help, if you belong to an association, please do so.

We are all keeping our fingers crossed for you.

[Ellisha]

Just wanted to send a message of support. And well done for fighting this. I know my confidence would be crushed after an inspection and report like that.

I too have a bilingual child who has come on really well since starting with me, but again there are very few resources in her language. The words I attempt to pronounce are pronounced slightly incorrectly so I imagine I could be doing more harm than good. And her parents would prefer for me to concentrate on her English!

Please keep us updated.

[hectors house]

Hope you managed to get the wording changed so it doesn't sound so negative - even though I got the grade I was hoping for I was still disappointed with a sentence in my report, so I e-mailed with a suggestion of how it could be reworded and they did it, so hope they will do this for you too. xx

[lollipop kid]

Hope you managed to get the wording changed so it doesn't sound so negative - even though I got the grade I was hoping for I was still disappointed with a sentence in my report, so I e-mailed with a suggestion of how it could be reworded and they did it, so hope they will do this for you too. xx

You did well, HH. I've still got that I allow children to throw bricks indoors in mine, even though I asked for the wording to be changed but the individual inspector refused. (Thankfully no parent has ever asked me where I keep the house bricks for throwing, but you just never know!)

:D

LK

(PS: A 2 year old child was throwing single "MegaBloks" into a large cardboard box right next to him, with me standing beside him as well, while he counted fluently to 30 - his way to engage with the box as he had a trajectory schema - which I thought was a lovely demonstration of his learning. This wasn't mentioned, strangely. That was a couple of years ago, though, so hopefully daft things like this have improved.)

[mumofone]

You did well, HH. I've still got that I allow children to throw bricks indoors in mine, even though I asked for the wording to be changed but the individual inspector refused. (Thankfully no parent has ever asked me where I keep the house bricks for throwing, but you just never know!) :D LK (PS: A 2 year old child was throwing single "MegaBloks" into a large cardboard box right next to him, with me standing beside him as well, while he counted fluently to 30 - his way to engage with the box as he had a trajectory schema - which I thought was a lovely demonstration of his learning. This wasn't mentioned, strangely. That was a couple of years ago, though, so hopefully daft things like this have improved.)

Oh my goodness that's awful and seems a completely pointless thing to write in a report. How annoying for you. X

[Simona]

You did well, HH. I've still got that I allow children to throw bricks indoors in mine, even though I asked for the wording to be changed but the individual inspector refused. (Thankfully no parent has ever asked me where I keep the house bricks for throwing, but you just never know!)

:D

LK

(PS: A 2 year old child was throwing single "MegaBloks" into a large cardboard box right next to him, with me standing beside him as well, while he counted fluently to 30 - his way to engage with the box as he had a trajectory schema - which I thought was a lovely demonstration of his learning. This wasn't mentioned, strangely. That was a couple of years ago, though, so hopefully daft things like this have improved.)

I don' t think individual Tribal/Prospects inspectors can change words in a report...only Ofsted can do so....at least that is how how understand it.
It happened to me years ago and Ofsted did change the wording.

We are also talking about appealing against a grade here in this thread.....so wording has to be considered against evidence and hopefully the complaint upheld

[lollipop kid]

I don' t think individual Tribal/Prospects inspectors can change words in a report...only Ofsted can do so....at least that is how how understand it.
It happened to me years ago and Ofsted did change the wording.

We are also talking about appealing against a grade here in this thread.....so wording has to be considered against evidence and hopefully the complaint upheld

Mine was a Tier One complaint/appeal (handled directly by Tribal) and changing wording was something that I had to take up with them as Ofsted told me that the process was for me to go direct to Tribal. At that time (2013), Ofsted would have got involved (I hope) at Tier Two of the complaints process - that is if I still had the energy to complain again having got nowhere despite putting a ton of effort into it and garnering lots of support externally, and from my parents at the time.

I decided not to waste any more energy on complaining again, as I personally found it soul-destroying, and focused instead on the positives (there were some - all around how lovely it is for the children at my setting) in my report. Thankfully my business wasn't affected, and I have lots of happy children and happy parents on my books.

I make sure no-one throws any 'bricks', though!

:D

All the best,

LK

[Simona]

Mine was a Tier One complaint (handled directly by Tribal). At that time (2013), Ofsted would have got involved (I hope) at Tier Two of the complaints process - that is if I still had the energy to complain again having got nowhere despite putting a ton of effort into it and garnering lots of support externally, and from my parents at the time.

I decided not to waste any more energy on complaining again, as I personally found it soul-destroying, and focused instead on the positives (there were some - all around how lovely it is for the children at my setting) in my report. Thankfully my business wasn't affected, and I have lots of happy children and happy parents on my books.

I make sure no-one throws any 'bricks', though!

:D

All the best,

LK

How on earth do we teach children hand-eye co-ordination if we do not allow children to 'throw' things.....quoting your inspector here....into containers and improve their aim?
Next we wil have to ban throwing a ball so a child can catch it :angry:....this is mad!
Sorry to hear you had to go through that.

[lollipop kid]

How on earth do we teach children hand-eye co-ordination if we do not allow children to 'throw' things.....quoting your inspector here....into containers and improve their aim?
Next we wil have to ban throwing a ball so a child can catch it :angry:....this is mad!
Sorry to hear you had to go through that.

One of the things in my appeal was a direct quote from the EYFS 2008, where it said that, if a child has a trajectory schema - we should give them something to throw.

(Didn't work though!)

:censored:

LK

[blue bear]

Thinking of you x very interested as I too have a new child with eal or should I say lal? As child is spoken to mainly I. English by both parents but also Lithuanian by mum and grandma, mum does not want me speaking Lithuanian to her child she wants him to learn it from those who are fluent.

[lollipop kid]

Thinking of you x very interested as I too have a new child with eal or should I say lal? As child is spoken to mainly I. English by both parents but also Lithuanian by mum and grandma, mum does not want me speaking Lithuanian to her child she wants him to learn it from those who are fluent.

I've had a child with Hungarian parents before. I covered language for him by lending some of my books to Mum before the child started, and getting her to write the Hungarian word and English word on a post it note on some of the pages. I then used this as a resource.

Say the Hungarian word was 'douck' - and it was pronounced 'duck'. She would write the word the way it was pronounced, and not the actual spelling. This meant that when I said the word, the child would recognise it. I also got Mum to say the words in English and Hungarian to the child, then I did the same. I found that sending the book back and forth in the early weeks, then doing this with other books, helped us a lot.

She also was really good at emailing me his new words, (Hungarian and English) and I did the same to her so that she could give me the Hungarian 'translation'. Then I also gave her a list of key words that he needed to know, such as 'coat', 'drink', 'shoes', 'poo', 'wee-wee', 'sleepy', 'cuddle',' 'milk', etc. to email me the Hungarian word for, and we got on fine for the 2.5 years he was with me. (I did not ever have to show this as evidence at inspection, as he had left by the time of my next inspection - isn't that always the way? The point is, that it helped the child and me, as we both found it hard to find dual language resources, so found a way to make our own. (She also did English with me and Hungarian at home.)

Still, I can understand from your experience why some childminders might be reluctant to take on a child with English as a second language. I said 'No' to one recently, as he was only going to be doing half a day with me, once a week, and I felt that it just wasn't enough time for me to make it work.

It's a small world - I hope you get something sorted - even if it's just a wording change.

BlueBear - I hope it works out well for you.

Good luck both,

LK

[blue bear]

I've had a child with Hungarian parents before. I covered language for him by lending some of my books to Mum before the child started, and getting her to write the Hungarian word and English word on a post it note on some of the pages. I then used this as a resource.

Say the Hungarian word was 'douck' - and it was pronounced 'duck'. She would write the word the way it was pronounced, and not the actual spelling. This meant that when I said the word, the child would recognise it. I also got Mum to say the words in English and Hungarian to the child, then I did the same. I found that sending the book back and forth in the early weeks, then doing this with other books, helped us a lot.

She also was really good at emailing me his new words, (Hungarian and English) and I did the same to her so that she could give me the Hungarian 'translation'. Then I also gave her a list of key words that he needed to know, such as 'coat', 'drink', 'shoes', 'poo', 'wee-wee', 'sleepy', 'cuddle',' 'milk', etc. to email me the Hungarian word for, and we got on fine for the 2.5 years he was with me. (I did not ever have to show this as evidence at inspection, as he had left by the time of my next inspection - isn't that always the way? The point is, that it helped the child and me, as we both found it hard to find dual language resources, so found a way to make our own. (She also did English with me and Hungarian at home.)

Still, I can understand from your experience why some childminders might be reluctant to take on a child with English as a second language. I said 'No' to one recently, as he was only going to be doing half a day with me, once a week, and I felt that it just wasn't enough time for me to make it work.

It's a small world - I hope you get something sorted - even if it's just a wording change.

BlueBear - I hope it works out well for you.

Good luck both,

LK
Thank you lollipop kid, loads of great idea which I love

[blue bear]

Wondering how you are getting on? Have been thinking of you x

[It's a small world]

Wondering how you are getting on? Have been thinking of you x



Prospect have spoken to me (yesterday) and looking into my complaint. They advised even if I didn't have a bilingual child if I couldn't provide evidence or explain how I would support a bilingual child I could still get downgraded.!! It is unlikely grade will be amended but the wording might be changed as I said inspector only mentioned nursery and bilingual child nothing else and that the wording to me reads as children in general not bilingual children. I also pointed out report stated I don't communicate with parents properly when children first start this was never mentioned in evaluation. Explained I am not happy. Now it's just a case of them investigating and me waiting to see if they change the wording. What makes it worse is I've just seen my report online,😞 I still feel it contradicts and makes me look bad. There's a section telling parents where I 'fail' and I know for a fact they wouldn't agree with it x keep you updated x

[loocyloo]

Prospect have spoken to me (yesterday) and looking into my complaint. They advised even if I didn't have a bilingual child if I couldn't provide evidence or explain how I would support a bilingual child I could still get downgraded.!! It is unlikely grade will be amended but the wording might be changed as I said inspector only mentioned nursery and bilingual child nothing else and that the wording to me reads as children in general not bilingual children. I also pointed out report stated I don't communicate with parents properly when children first start this was never mentioned in evaluation. Explained I am not happy. Now it's just a case of them investigating and me waiting to see if they change the wording. What makes it worse is I've just seen my report online,�� I still feel it contradicts and makes me look bad. There's a section telling parents where I 'fail' and I know for a fact they wouldn't agree with it x keep you updated x

oh big hugs, stay strong.

I understand if you couldn't explain how you would help, but I read it that you did/could have explained, but in the particular instance, you are following parental wishes.

I don't have any bilingual children, and therefore I have no resources for them. I could explain to an inspector, but I wouldn't have any evidence! ( apart from a few books that I have been given over the years in different languages! )

[Simona]

Prospect have spoken to me (yesterday) and looking into my complaint. They advised even if I didn't have a bilingual child if I couldn't provide evidence or explain how I would support a bilingual child I could still get downgraded.!! It is unlikely grade will be amended but the wording might be changed as I said inspector only mentioned nursery and bilingual child nothing else and that the wording to me reads as children in general not bilingual children. I also pointed out report stated I don't communicate with parents properly when children first start this was never mentioned in evaluation. Explained I am not happy. Now it's just a case of them investigating and me waiting to see if they change the wording. What makes it worse is I've just seen my report online,�� I still feel it contradicts and makes me look bad. There's a section telling parents where I 'fail' and I know for a fact they wouldn't agree with it x keep you updated x

Have you checked the Ofsted Complaint Guidance to see whether they are allowed to print your inspection report while they investigate your complaint?

I don't have in front of me but I thought this was the new rule....don't quote me but please check.
You say they will change the words...in that case they have agreed to uphold part of your complaint?

I hope you are getting advice and support on this...your LA will certainly give it to you....or your representing association if you belong to one.

PS: make sure any communication with the inspectors is in writing not by phone as you must have evidence

[It's a small world]

Have you checked the Ofsted Complaint Guidance to see whether they are allowed to print your inspection report while they investigate your complaint?

I don't have in front of me but I thought this was the new rule....don't quote me but please check.
You say they will change the words...in that case they have agreed to uphold part of your complaint?

I hope you are getting advice and support on this...your LA will certainly give it to you....or your representing association if you belong to one.

PS: make sure any communication with the inspectors is in writing not by phone as you must have evidence

Hi
Not checked but will. Prospect phoned me and said would look at evidence what I have said and what inspector has said. Then they will write to me with outcome. So just have to see what happens. Feeling deflated but will Look at ofsted rules on complaints tomorrow. They did ask if I would I wanted wording changed to which I said I wanted grading as I worked in partnership with parent, but that's irrelevant to them where bilingual children are concerned. I have to learn basic words to help children in my setting etc. Even though I said I did but unsettled child more unsure if my pronunciation but didn't help
. Guess wording change is better than nothing but this
wasn't confirmed they just said they would look at it. My mojo is gradually going. My personal life hasn't been to great last couple of weeks either 😞 x

[Simona]

Hi
Not checked but will. Prospect phoned me and said would look at evidence what I have said and what inspector has said. Then they will write to me with outcome. So just have to see what happens. Feeling deflated but will Look at ofsted rules on complaints tomorrow. They did ask if I would I wanted wording changed to which I said I wanted grading as I worked in partnership with parent, but that's irrelevant to them where bilingual children are concerned. I have to learn basic words to help children in my setting etc. Even though I said I did but unsettled child more unsure if my pronunciation but didn't help
. Guess wording change is better than nothing but this
wasn't confirmed they just said they would look at it. My mojo is gradually going. My personal life hasn't been to great last couple of weeks either �� x

Good luck...just bear in mind you need to raise any concerns within 10 days.

Here is the link for you
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/458675/Complaints_about_Ofsted.pdf

[hectors house]

Sending you big hugs and hope you get the wording changed and your home life settles down too. xxxxx

[blue bear]

I hope they sort it out for you quickly, 15 minutes of child being awake is such a shirt time to make a judgement.