funding :-(

[Littleglees]

So depressed I'm potentially loosing two children as I can't get funding as I was satisfactory on my inspection, tried calling ofsted and explaining that I need another visit to be told, Im not down for one!!!!!

Wouldn't mind but was satisfactory for a school child communication error not early years!!!

[Simona]

So depressed I'm potentially loosing two children as I can't get funding as I was satisfactory on my inspection, tried calling ofsted and explaining that I need another visit to be told, Im not down for one!!!!!

Wouldn't mind but was satisfactory for a school child communication error not early years!!!

Please check with your LA as many do allow those with RI to access funding

Look at this DfE guidance...In particular p 14 section A4.14...print that section and show it to your LA.
This is what it says

A4.14 Limit the requirements they place on providers judged less than ‘good’ by Ofsted to those that enable providers to improve the quality of their provision as identified in the provider’s Ofsted inspection report. The requirements may include, where applicable, participating in training or other quality improvement programmes.

Good luck

[Littleglees]

Thank you so much, I'll have a look and print xx

[Simona]

So sorry ...I forgot to put the link for you

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/early-education-and-childcare--2

[Littleglees]

Thank you xx

[k1rstie]

Our rules state:


Three and four year old children can access the free entitlement with any provider rated 'satisfactory/requires improvement'. Children aged two should only be funded in 'satisfactory/requires improvement' settings where there is not sufficient 'good' or 'outstanding' provision.

[Littleglees]

I'm in staffs, wish they would change rules as I no of minders graded good and not bothered to do funding so spaces must be free x

[teacake2]

I have every sympathy with you, I am not in your situation but I am in Staffs and find them very difficult at the best of times. I have a problem with the funding in that the little one concerned is supposed to be going to the school nursery from September and of course they won't share funding although I have it in black and white from Staffs that they have to share if parent requests it. The school is insisting the parent will have to take the full funded sessions with them or lose out, it makes it very difficult for parent with work etc but I guess the school as usual will win. It works brilliantly sharing care at the pre-school he attends at the moment.
Teacake2

[Kirstylob]

My DO recently told us at a training session that all newly registered CM's could offer funding as soon as they has their certificate, didn't even have to have their first graded inspection! Maybe that's just my area.

[Simona]

Funded hours can be shared between EY providers ...a cm and a preschool or nursery for instance
if a parent sends a child to a state school with a nursery attached there is no option but to take the full place....schools are different.

LAs have different rules and they do not always follow DfE guidance because the guidance says 'SHOULD' not 'MUST'...therefore each LA does as it pleases.

The same applies to funding...until the DfE says LAs 'MUST' pass all the funding from central govt they will retain what they like and continue to underfund providers.

If cms have problems please let your representing association know or contact the DfE directly.
The DfE has publicly shamed LAs with low take up of funding....make yourself heard if it applies to you

[Littleglees]

Thanks all, I'll keep on fighting x

[Chatterbox Childcare]

My LA is pretty hot:

2 year olds good or outstanding and 3/4 year olds requires improvement, good or outstanding

[Simona]

My LA is pretty hot:

2 year olds good or outstanding and 3/4 year olds requires improvement, good or outstanding

I see that from a different angle ...being hot is something many LAs are...but there are reasons behind it and it involves money and targets.

Until now LAs got paid for the number of children they should place which is worked out by the DfE...from April they will only get paid for the actual number...'payment by result'.

In order to make the scheme successful many LAs and govt have bent the rules to suit them....and the coming election

If only 'high quality' is good for these children ....as Wilshaw says...why are RI and even new untested and un-inspected providers allowed to offer funding?
Did Wilshaw not say 'only good' is acceptable?
In addition Quality Improvement is debatable because many LAs do not really offer it and Ofsted remains the sole arbitrer of quality

Because in the end it is the targets that matter and the govt will flag that up at the election telling the electorate they have succeeded because the take up is high.

If only politicians would stay out of education we might get somewhere!!

[Littleglees]

Thank you all, I applied to our local authority along with the paragraph stated and was sent all paperwork etc and approved.

Shame my own support worker from the same authority couldn't tell me this.

Love you lot on this forum xx

[agency12]

Hi, sorry if it's already addressed

What's the thoughts about the torys promise of 30 funded hours per week, does this technically 'nationalise' childcare for the over twos ?

[Simona]

Hi, sorry if it's already addressed

What's the thoughts about the torys promise of 30 funded hours per week, does this technically 'nationalise' childcare for the over twos ?

Unfortunately the Tories are going to legislate the 30 hours...and have fast tracked this.
It is rather telling that they will do so before 'consulting' with the sector which was Sam Gyimah's promise pre election.
Now they have won they are unchained and on they gallop.

Labour too promised an increase to 25 hours a long time ago....but...this was for ALL families not just those where both parents work...so childcare cannot be ' nationalised' or become universal when some families are excluded...what of those mothers who wish to stay at home?
While I agree that 30 hours is better to juggle work...it will be difficult to achieve due to lack of childcare spaces so more children will be fast tracked into schools at age 2 while schools struggle with primary places?
It will also be a disaster because we will still subsidise it....unless the Tories have bottomless pit full of money?


Lots of this in the news and PLA have already published their post election manifesto which I am sure is bound to cause a heated discussion at their conference in June.

[natlou82]

I just don't understand how it's going to work eg:- my local school nursery has x amount of children in the morning (15 hrs) and then the same amount in the afternoon (15 hrs) if all of the morning children were eligible for 30 hours what happens with the afternoon children? The CMs in our area are pretty full, and day nurseries already have the children that are currently paying for full day spaces??? I suppose we have to watch this space.

[loocyloo]

I heard today of a school south of York that is opening a 2yr old classroom in September :-( I don't know, but the thought was it was for school hours only.

[natlou82]

The thought of 2yr olds in school makes me shudder!

[Ripeberry]

The face of childcare is changing for the worst :(

[natlou82]

The government really don't understand the concept that some women have children because they want to nurture and love them and spend as much time as possible with them even if it means scrimping by with just one parent working for a few years. For those families without that luxury and both parents need to work they may want their precious babies to go to a likeminded person who will do their best to provide a similar experience to the one Mum is reluctantly unable to give. I'm speaking from my own experience as a Mum and it would have been my worst nightmare to put my children in a big institution (nursery / school) at such a young age.

[Little Dots]

My DO recently told us at a training session that all newly registered CM's could offer funding as soon as they has their certificate, didn't even have to have their first graded inspection! Maybe that's just my area.

This is the same in east cambridgeshire, the only thing they say is they try inspect you earlier rather than possibly waiting the full 30 months for first inspection, however if you are then graded below good you can not take on any more funded children until you get good/satisfactory.

[Simona]

The face of childcare is changing for the worst :(

I share that feeling with you...childcare is becoming unrecognisable.
Not only childcare but the whole thinking is wrong, when the 'childcare market' is all that matters we are heading for a disaster, when parents are denied the right to stay at home and care for their children for just 2 years before they are put in schools
I haven't heard many complain though.

And I fear it will get even more ugly now the govt has no restrains and can do as it pleases....I fear what Ofsted will now do together with DfE...the first 100 days of this govt will be telling.

Providers have raised concerns about children's well being and the length of hours they are now in institutions for a very long time ...nurseries will now expand without any problems as the planning laws have been eased and preschools will struggle to offer 30 hrs because their premises won't be able to open all hours.
Cms will see children shifting to nurseries who do wraparound care and holiday schemes and create strong links with schools...we need to raise our concerns at this, we can't sit and watch.

Schools will have to stay open all day just as Gove wanted, school holidays may be reduced...sounds impossible but I think it will be pushed.

we really need to educate the parents....those who in the past have moaned childcare is too expensive without allowing themselves to admit we fund it for them and this govt has doubled our costs
Parents will be very disappointed when they ask for 30 hrs and providers will be unable to offer them.

I have spoken to many who cannot see how they can give double the hours at the current rate of funding or how they will accommodate all the parents to get what they 'think' is free.
Family and Childcare Trust have just published their latest childcare survey...that will be the right push the govt needs.

I can only say that fast tracking all the changes means we have a summer of new policies to look forward to by Sept 2015...if not I will certainly chew on my many hats.
Has anyone noticed how quiet Ofsted have been for a long time?