Updated info from Ofsted - Nov 2013 - VERY IMPORTANT

[sarah707]

There is a new copy of Ofsted News on the Ofsted website -

Ofsted | Early years: November 2013 (http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/early-years-november-2013)

It contains a lot of very important information for every childminder!! You have to read this one guys! :update::update:

I have put it all into a blog which you might find useful -

Ofsted News - November 2013 - (http://independentchildminders.weebly.com/1/post/2013/11/ofsted-news-november-2013.html)

Hth :D

[FussyElmo]

Thanks as always sarah :thumbsup:

[Shamai]

Thank you, as always, Sarah. Confusion, panic and uncertainty provided courtesy of Ofsted, as usual. I cannot believe they are providing Inspectors with this information before they have informed us :censored:

[Pixie dust]

Thanks Sarah, I am expecting my inspection anytime as it's been nearly 4 years now. It's quite worrying with all these changes to know if I am up to date with what is expected of me regarding the development matters etc.

[gef918]

Thanks Sarah. I don't know how I'd stay up-to-date with all these changes without this forum.

[cathtee]

Thanks Sarah, I have downloaded it and will print off and read later:thumbsup:

[lilac_dragon]

Thank you Sarah, quick off the mark as usual!!
Shame that Ofsted aren't so quick at keeping us up to date - however they'd be very quick to downgrade any of us that were inspected before the news had got to us, I'm sure.

The point about DBS (CRB) - -advice please.
My children were CRB checked when they were 16, one of them still lives at home aged 24. Am I right that the CRB/DBS is still a one off and doesn't need re-doing at set intervals?

[loocyloo]

thank you!

wish they'd tell us as quick as inspectors are told!

I keep jumping everytime there is a withheld number on my phone ... i'm over 5 yrs since my last inspection now!

[lilac_dragon]

However, this statement in Ofsted News tells us what inspectors will be looking for... so I don’t think we have a lot of choice. I think we all need to make a decision - when do you change all your Development Matters references to Early Years Outcomes? Do you re-print the document for children’s files now or wait until you take on new children? How will you justify your continued use of Development Matters (in light of this announcement in Ofsted News) if you have an inspection tomorrow?

The part in your blog about making a decision about when to change all our Dev Matters references to Early Years Outcomes -
I'd be interested on other's views on this.

[Amandak28]

Thanks for keeping us updated Sarah :-) xx

[Simona]

So we have to say goodbye to Sue Gregory who steps down at the end of the term and 2 new directors to engage with.

It is a fair summary of the latest changes ...however.... it appears that inspectors 'should' be aware that DM has been 'replaced' by the EY Outcomes (p4)...well it would be good if someone told us that first!!!

watch out for the consultation on agencies...can't wait for that considering the blanket silence surrounding them!!

[cherry]

I was at a meeting last week and was told that Oxfordshire is still going to be using Development Matters

[Simona]

I have just read your blog Sarah regarding DM and EYO
Lets see what the sector says tomorrow when they wake up to the news

My personal view is that for children to reach their outcomes they need to develop and for us to facilitate that we need to plan according to the age and stage of that development which must consider the Positive Relationships and Enabling Environment....and the Characteristics of Effective Learning.
no matter what this replacement means without DM, which is a guidance, it would make our job more difficult if we just looked at the outcomes without considering the learning journey children need to take to get there and how we would support that learning.

DM has not been withdrawn...I still have the old EYFS 2008 version which was much more 'child friendly' so I will keep both documents at the ready when the inspector calls and continue to plan according to development not just the outcomes!

[clairer]

Lovely Sarah what would we do without you!

[sarah707]

I was at a meeting last week and was told that Oxfordshire is still going to be using Development Matters

I've been having this conversation with someone else at that meeting Cherry. They are going to talk to their DW and take it from there...

The problem is that nobody really knew EYO was THE new document to replace DM until this Ofsted News was published - up until then we were all saying 'wait and see' ... I was saying it with everyone else.

Well we have waited - and we have seen - and Ofsted have pushed us a route we might not want to take - but if we are going to be inspected using EYO then I don't think we have a lot of choice :(

I've put the new EYO here if anyone wants to grab a copy with some guidance notes :D

Early Years Outcomes - Knutsford Childminding (http://www.freewebs.com/sarahnev707/earlyyearsoutcomes.htm)

[sarah707]

However, this statement in Ofsted News tells us what inspectors will be looking for... so I don’t think we have a lot of choice. I think we all need to make a decision - when do you change all your Development Matters references to Early Years Outcomes? Do you re-print the document for children’s files now or wait until you take on new children? How will you justify your continued use of Development Matters (in light of this announcement in Ofsted News) if you have an inspection tomorrow?

The part in your blog about making a decision about when to change all our Dev Matters references to Early Years Outcomes -
I'd be interested on other's views on this.

I have been thinking about this a lot today - self reflection and all that!!

I have now made my decision and written about it in the document I have linked in the post before this one :D

[Ripeberry]

Glad that I delayed writing up some of my obs for a new child (started last month) as I would have had to re-write everything again! Aarghh!

[AliceK]

Sarah
Thank you so much for this. What would we do without you. Gives me some reading to do on my "day off" tomorrow.

xxxx

[The Juggler]

thanks sarah

[Little_steps]

Brilliant! First week minding and then this. Confusing...

[Little_steps]

Just wanted to also thank you Sarah, your notes are so much easier for me to understand and don't leave me feeling dim!

I agree, the dm is an excellent kit and I will be continuing to use it alongside the new document.

[moggy]

I've been having this conversation with someone else at that meeting Cherry. They are going to talk to their DW and take it from there...

The problem is that nobody really knew EYO was THE new document to replace DM until this Ofsted News was published - up until then we were all saying 'wait and see' ... I was saying it with everyone else.

Well we have waited - and we have seen - and Ofsted have pushed us a route we might not want to take - but if we are going to be inspected using EYO then I don't think we have a lot of choice :(

I've put the new EYO here if anyone wants to grab a copy with some guidance notes :D

Early Years Outcomes - Knutsford Childminding (http://www.freewebs.com/sarahnev707/earlyyearsoutcomes.htm)

Thank you for putting this together.

A question:

We know we should not use EYO (or the old DM etc) as a 'tick list'.

But:

What is the difference between placing a 'tick' next to one of the bullet-pointed statements to show you have evidence of a child learning in that area and placing a 'date' next to a bullet-pointed statement?

What about a tick and a date?

or have I miss understood how you have described how you are going to use EYO, in your guidance notes?

I know this is just how you personally are going to use it, and it is by no means a criticism, but it is interesting to read your interpretation to help us make up our minds about how we are going to do it. Many thanks x

[Simona]

Glad that I delayed writing up some of my obs for a new child (started last month) as I would have had to re-write everything again! Aarghh!

This new development does not mean we need to change the way we observe or record our children's progress...development is the what we need to follow at all times via the guidance
Everyone please look at what the 'outcomes' mean in relation to where we plan and how we get the children to those outcomes

It has been obvious for a while that Ofsted were going to push for the outcomes to replace DM...look at the Foundation Years website when the Outcomes were pushed into 2nd place after the EYFS and DM went down the priority list...everyone dismissed it at the time
Please remember Ofsted is the DfE's agency...I would hazard a guess this is the DfE new policy...does not anyone think it is strange for this to be announced in an Ofsted News item and not by the DfE itself?
how many providers will be aware of it and actually action it?

Also please remember the new inspection framework came in on 4 Nov...surely this announcement should have coincided with that and not be buried in a news update few will know about and many not aware for and unprepared for at inspection??

[Tulip]

Thanks Sarah, there's so much to learn and so much to keep up with!

[Simona]

PLA Under 5 Magazine has confirmed that Ofsted has itself confirmed the Outcomes have replaced the DM

I will try to find out more and come back.

[JCrakers]

My head is going to explode......:angry:

MORE CHANGES......seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrstom]

I'm going to cry too! I'm barely managing to do my day to day paperwork, level 3 coursework (with associated college assessor visits - she's coming on my 'day off' this week) and trying to keep a busy house running without more changes to trawl through :(

I've a stack of reading to be getting on with, changes I want to make to my practice (after a couple of training courses I've been on) and now this. And don't even mention my SEF that I'm still trying to trawl through or my accounts that need updating. Oh and what's the betting Mrs O will call this week for my first graded inspection?

<feeling very demoralised and sorry for myself>

But I guess that's all part of their master plan??

And breathe...

[Simona]

I'm going to cry too! I'm barely managing to do my day to day paperwork, level 3 coursework (with associated college assessor visits - she's coming on my 'day off' this week) and trying to keep a busy house running without more changes to trawl through :(

I've a stack of reading to be getting on with, changes I want to make to my practice (after a couple of training courses I've been on) and now this. And don't even mention my SEF that I'm still trying to trawl through or my accounts that need updating. Oh and what's the betting Mrs O will call this week for my first graded inspection?

<feeling very demoralised and sorry for myself>

But I guess that's all part of their master plan??

And breathe...

There is a flurry of information going on that adds to the confusion about this...some are saying the statement is incorrect, some say Ofsted have confirmed it so I hope Ofsted itself will come out with a clarification, although it is hard to believe that Sue Gregory has made a mistake???
Time will tell!

In the meantime both DM and EYO are non statutory guidance...continue doing what you have done but keep both documents at the ready for your inspection.

I am keeping my ears open on Twitter where many comments are being posted in case some new info comes up...do not panic just keep up the good work.

As the saying goes 'Do not panic..it is only Ofsted getting in a muddle'!!!

[mrstom]

There is a flurry of information going on that adds to the confusion about this...some are saying the statement is incorrect, some say Ofsted have confirmed it so I hope Ofsted itself will come out with a clarification, although it is hard to believe that Sue Gregory has made a mistake???
Time will tell!

In the meantime both DM and EYO are non statutory guidance...continue doing what you have done but keep both documents at the ready for your inspection.

I am keeping my ears open on Twitter where many comments are being posted in case some new info comes up...do not panic just keep up the good work.

As the saying goes 'Do not panic..it is only Ofsted getting in a muddle'!!!

Thanks Simona :)

[JCrakers]

I need one of those mugs that say that just to keep reminding me everytime I drink my stone cold coffee.

Don't panic...its only Ofsted
:thumbsup:

[Simona]

Keep your eyes on this website as well and you will see both DM and EYO are there

Foundation Years: From pregnancy to children aged 5 (http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/)

This website is managed by 4 Children as the DfE strategic partner

[mrstom]

I need one of those mugs that say that just to keep reminding me everytime I drink my stone cold coffee.

Don't panic...its only Ofsted
:thumbsup:

Brilliant! I'd buy one :D

[Mrs Scrubbit]

:panic::mad::panic::mad: Oh know here we go again.......all change! Better get printing new paper work.........AGAIN, I've been in this job 24 yrs in Jan. and I've never felt so muddled ,confused and stressed as I do now esp as I have an overdue inspection looming and I'm also finding it hard (no, make that impossible)to' switch off' as my mind now seems to be forever in ' childminding mode'. In years to come we might all meet up in a ' Home for Retired and Deranged Childminders)......... I've booked my place already, anyone else joining me? you get first 'pick of the toys if you book early...............and as I'm soooooo fed up I WILL NOT BE SHARING !!!!:(:(:panic: xxxxxxxxx

[Mrs Scrubbit]

But thanks to all for the updates:thumbsup: xx

[Simona]

:panic::mad::panic::mad: Oh know here we go again.......all change! Better get printing new paper work.........AGAIN, I've been in this job 24 yrs in Jan. and I've never felt so muddled ,confused and stressed as I do now esp as I have an overdue inspection looming and I'm also finding it hard (no, make that impossible)to' switch off' as my mind now seems to be forever in ' childminding mode'. In years to come we might all meet up in a ' Home for Retired and Deranged Childminders)......... I've booked my place already, anyone else joining me? you get first 'pick of the toys if you book early...............and as I'm soooooo fed up I WILL NOT BE SHARING !!!!:(:(:panic: xxxxxxxxx

Please do not worry...nothing has changed apart from the fact you have 2 documents instead of one...I am sure Sarah will back me up on this
Eventually someone will have to clarify but we need to put some pressure on

The Ofsted news also contains other news that is worth looking into


[B]At the end of this term I will be retiring from Ofsted after 13 and a half years. As I look back over the variety of roles I have had in my time here, each of them has been professionally rewarding. None more so than the last year as National Director, Early Childhood. It has without doubt been an extremely busy and at times a challenging period; but one where we have made real headway in our drive to improve early years provision through better inspection and regulation.
We can be proud of our achievements over the last year, but there is still more to do. As I hand over to the two new national directors, Nick Hudson (Early Education) and Lorna Fitzjohn (Childminding) I wish you all the very best.


1. why the split between CMs and Early Education? what is behind this and I am not the only one asking the question today.

2. Nick Hudson is currently Ofsted Regional Director for Yorkshire and already engaging in the #OBC for that region
When he takes over as National Director will he have 2 jobs or be replaced?


3. if Nick Hudson is involved in #OBC we should also have Lorna Fitzjohn involved for CMs...my view of course

I also have read that June O'Sullivan ahs met with Nick Hudson...so I hope this will be reported

4. The agency consultation in a few weeks time...am I wrong that it will be under Christmas then and hoping so many will miss it or be under the magic spell and say YES to them??


Not a chance as we will push for as much response as possible on this....so stay tuned
That mug needs to be bought by the entire sector I think!!

[sarah707]

Ofsted News Nov 2013 is very clear -

‘Inspectors should be aware that Development Matters has been replaced by Early Years Outcomes’

Ofsted | Early years: November 2013 (http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/early-years-november-2013)

I don't think you can get any more clarification than that really...

The Forum and FB group have already updated members - EYO can be downloaded in a shortened format with some guidance notes from here -

Early Years Outcomes (http://www.childmindinghelp.co.uk/freeresources/Free%20downloads/earlyyearsoutcomes-with-notes.html)

I think the problem is that it is VERY new news - it's only just filtering out - that's why there is so much confusion... :thumbsup:

[itsybitsyteeny]

Hi Sarah

I made the changes to the development matters print out that I had to reflect the early years outcomes guidance. It was only a few minor wording changes and in some places I crossed out the characterics of effective learning as these had been removed in the early years outcomes document. I saw a summary you had made on one of your posts and went through making the changes. Am I on the right track or do I need to print the early years outcomes in its entirety instead? Thank you

[sarah707]

Thank you for putting this together.

A question:

We know we should not use EYO (or the old DM etc) as a 'tick list'.

But:

What is the difference between placing a 'tick' next to one of the bullet-pointed statements to show you have evidence of a child learning in that area and placing a 'date' next to a bullet-pointed statement?

What about a tick and a date?

or have I miss understood how you have described how you are going to use EYO, in your guidance notes?

I know this is just how you personally are going to use it, and it is by no means a criticism, but it is interesting to read your interpretation to help us make up our minds about how we are going to do it. Many thanks x

This is a really tricky one Moggy and the arguments surrounding it can run and run ...

EYO is not as we know a tick list - but that doesn't stop development officers and other bods telling cms to tick / mark off / highlight every statement :(

What I do is to date around the statements - not the actual statements - just date when I see children doing similar things to what it says in DM (now EYO of course).

If a child is interested in animals I will date somewhere in UW - the world ... if a child takes an interest in counting I will date somewhere in maths - numbers... etc.

What we have to remember is that we are not solely responsible for children's learning - just because we haven't seen something does not mean they are not doing it elsewhere - and that is what those who like a neatly filled out ticked list tend to forget :(

Received wisdom is to do your best with the materials you have been given :D

[SYLVIA]

I think I may write something on the actual observation, like linking to outcome...... and date it. I don't really want to change paper work that i'm happy to work with

[itsybitsyteeny]

Does anyone know if there will be summary assessment sheets available to download for EYO? The ones which have the 7 areas in age bands I.e. All the areas for 8-20 months etc

[Cinnamon Sugar]

Shriek!!! More changes :-(

[Tazmin68]

Shriek!!! More changes :-(

Not very different to the EY grid that I do I have just amended it to reflect the outcomes. I use these and highlight in different colours every few months to see how a child is moving on. Not sure how to attach them to show anyone them

[Simona]

I have made a few enquiries about this DM and EYO confusion

It appears that inspectors have had DM taken out of their inspection 'instruction' ...whatever that means....and replaced with EYO....that 'could' be how Gregory is referring to the outcomes having replaced the DM and says inspectors must be aware of ...she did not say providers need to be aware of!!!is it merely something to do with words???

Can we sit here and speculate, worry and go round in circles until driven mad....not in my view...so I am off to write another letter...I will be back later

[Bambini2]

Pacey have just got hard copies of EYO to purchase as a stand alone document or in a bundle with other documents. Ideal for those who don't want to spend all day printing.:)

[vals]

What concerns me is that how do they feed this information to childminders. If I didn't read it on here would I ever find out. How many childminders don't go on forums and therefore have no clue about all the recent changes.

[Simona]

It is good to hear that Pacey have produced a document on EYO...wow that is quick indeed when the EYO can be printed on its own free of charge

Both DM and EYO are non statutory guidance and we can use both or neither
I said previously the associations need to address this...not aLL cms belong to one and, in fact, many belong to nothing at all....it goes without saying we need info from them who have access to DfE and Ofsted meetings and know what is being developed as policy

In all the recent changes nurseries and preschools know exactly where they stand while Cms have to look at short statements hidden in news few access.

[Cinnamon Sugar]

Thank you Sarah, I printed it off this morning :-)

[loocyloo]

I was told this evening that we now shouldn't have characteristics of learning as part of anything we do? It should not be part of anything we comment on in obs or summatives or 2 yr check as not mentioned in EYO.
Any thoughts ?

[Simona]

I was told this evening that we now shouldn't have characteristics of learning as part of anything we do? It should not be part of anything we comment on in obs or summatives or 2 yr check as not mentioned in EYO.
Any thoughts ?

This is now getting out of control and going to cause a great deal of anxiety where none is required.

I contacted Ofsted yesterday and received a reply from the Principle Officer within minutes...providers can use both or neither when it comes to DM or EYO...nothing has replaced anything as both documents are still available and NON-STATUTORY...continue using whatever or both documents ...up to you.

I suggest if cms are confused to call Ofsted 0300 123 1231 and get a reply directly from them and if the inspectors tell providers they are using the wrong document ..that is wrong and inspectors will not tell anyone to do anything not required according toi new inspection guidance.

It is suggested below Pacey have published an EYO with other documents??..can anyone share about this or is it just for Pacey members?
can it be posted in the Pacey section of the forum?

I have also spoken to PLA who are seeking clarification on this and when that is received it will be published for the benefit of ALL Cms not just its members.

Hope this helps and please do not listen to speculation...ring Ofsted and find out!

[Bambini2]

It is available to members and non-members, as a stand alone document or with a couple of other items. Beware that on their latest members newsletter it gives the impression that it can only be purchased in a bundle. If you click on the dedicated section NOT the banner headline "This product is available in the EYFS Framework pack.":angry: You can find it as a separate item.

[Simona]

It is available to members and non-members, as a stand alone document or with a couple of other items. Beware that on their latest members newsletter it gives the impression that it can only be purchased in a bundle. If you click on the dedicated section NOT the banner headline "This product is available in the EYFS Framework pack.":angry: You can find it as a separate item.

Thank you I will try to locate it ...as I am not a member I will possibly not be able to find it but will give it a go.

No worry I will continue to get this clarified elsewhere

[sarah707]

Further clarification has been received from Nursery World magazine about the change from Development Matters to Early Years Outcomes in an article written by Lena Engel called 'Next Steps'.

The article confirms that this is a deliberate move by DfE to 'reduce the workload for practitioners'.

So we should be grateful all our DM guidance has been taken away because giving us a simple checklist to use is reducing our workload :D

[Simona]

Further clarification has been received from Nursery World magazine about the change from Development Matters to Early Years Outcomes in an article written by Lena Engel called 'Next Steps'.

The article confirms that this is a deliberate move by DfE to 'reduce the workload for practitioners'.

So we should be grateful all our DM guidance has been taken away because giving us a simple checklist to use is reducing our workload :D

The day DM disappears from the EYFS will be a very sad day indeed for children who are slowly being denied the right to play and now the right for practitioners to understand 'how children learn' in their development by following a simple guidance.

I am totally in favour of reducing 'workload' and bureaucracy but I have never heard anyone say they found DM a workload....maybe if the DfE want to reduce our work they would simplify the EYFS in the first place and some of its requirements.

Let's wait for the article and see the reaction from the EY sector to that...

I will certainly not just accept that 'child development' can be removed to reduce the workload for those who maybe have not the right grasp of EYFS, experience or qualifications to understand what it entails to work with children so the DfE moves in their favour at great risk to children's progress!!

[sarah707]

The day DM disappears from the EYFS will be a very sad day indeed for children who are slowly being denied the right to play and now the right for practitioners to understand 'how children learn' in their development by following a simple guidance.

I am totally in favour of reducing 'workload' and bureaucracy but I have never heard anyone say they found DM a workload....maybe if the DfE want to reduce our work they would simplify the EYFS in the first place and some of its requirements.

Let's wait for the article and see the reaction from the EY sector to that...

I will certainly not just accept that 'child development' can be removed to reduce the workload for those who maybe have not the right grasp of EYFS, experience or qualifications to understand what it entails to work with children so the DfE moves in their favour at great risk to children's progress!!

I agree it is a very sad day Simona - I have the article in the current edition - I think it's probably copyrighted so I don't want to scan and put it on here - but it's there in black and white - DfE are apparently doing us a favour by reducing our workload...

xx

[Simona]

I agree it is a very sad day Simona - I have the article in the current edition - I think it's probably copyrighted so I don't want to scan and put it on here - but it's there in black and white - DfE are apparently doing us a favour by reducing our workload...

xx

I believe you Sarah...what makes me sad if that is so I wasted precious time emailing Ofsted in the last couple of days only to find I was not really told DM will be removed and there you have it so go away? I have also heard many experts say DM is here to stay...I wonder what they will do now? something is not quite right.

I hope other CMs will take time to comment on this 'reduction of workload' especially when CMs have for years been told we do not need policies...and why not? are we less able? ...to reduce our workload and yet I know of no CM who does not go to great length to write and update policies going beyond the requirements!

I read what CMs do in terms of paperwork in this forum and wonder how they can be so committed and yet we are so undervalued.
The only time I have heard the DfE refer to less paperwork is in reference to 'agencies' who will magically come in and produce their own...but not actually do it for those who join them?

I despair at Gove looking at the best in the world in terms of education and then reducing our EY to running practice without the basic requirement: a very basic and much reduced child development guidance from the original of 2008!

If this is to be true the only winners will be Truss et al...I wonder if they dare visit Reggio Emilia and tell those atelieristas that their 'documentation' can be done away with to reduce the burden of paperwork?

I wonder what the likes of Tina Bruce, Chris Athey, Piaget, Vygotsky etc etc would say?...would Malaguzzi suddenly turn around and say his '100 languages of children' are a bureaucratic burden ...lets burn all their books....I will have a great bonfire then should I be mad enough to do so.

What will the journalists in Nursery World and EYE write about in future? How will new registered cms observe, plan next steps and assess progress without any reference to development? who will they turn to for help and advice when unsure how to support a child that needs a bit more help?...someone is bound to make lots of money replacing DM and then selling it to providers.

it won't matter because the DfE has reduced their workload so the teachers will pick up the pieces when the kids go to school...but I forget the DfE wants them in school at 2 now so they will be strapped to chairs learning by rote to count and recite the alphabet while denied play and the right to develop at their full potential and by doing so they will be denied their rights under Articles 3, 12, 13, 28, 29, 31 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

I rest my case.

[sarah707]

I am right there alongside you Simona rocking in the corner :(

[Simona]

I am right there alongside you Simona rocking in the corner :(

Let's all rock together but not in a corner...I won't bow to this govt rubbish :angry:

[hectors house]

Reduce our workload! Well after spending far too long producing a 2 year check the child had his health visitor appointment yesterday only to be told by health visitor - "we never read the writing, just the age band on the bottom"!!:angry: The mother stood up for me and told the health visitor that it was a legal requirement that I complete it and so could she please read it, I had printed a copy for the health visitor to keep with the child's records and she REFUSED to take it - so the parent is going to keep it in child's red medical book.

[sarah707]

This is the Nursery World article which explains why DM has been replaced by EYO :D

Learning & Development: Development Matters - Next steps | Nursery World (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WZumhyTn97cJ:www.nurseryworld.co.uk/article/1219207/learning---development-development-matters---next-steps+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)

[Simona]

This is the Nursery World article which explains why DM has been replaced by EYO :D

www.nurseryworld.co.uk/article/1219207/learning---development-development-matters---next-steps+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk]Learning (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WZumhyTn97cJ:[url) & Development: Development Matters - Next steps | Nursery World[/url]

Read it...digested it...unsure...confused by what Engel is saying.
I wait to see the reaction of the sector when NWorld releases the article...will be back then.

[loocyloo]

I still don't understand how by changing DM for EYO they have reduced the paperwork? :huh::confused::huh:!!!

[Simona]

I still don't understand how by changing DM for EYO they have reduced the paperwork? :huh::confused::huh:!!!

Ah!!!..that is a million dollar question!!! but they have not changed DM to EYO ...have they?
the 2 are totally separate in my view...the first guides us to understand how children develop ...the second allows us to assess their learning...if I am wrong I better go and look for something else to do to fill my time!! :angry:

[sarah707]

I still don't understand how by changing DM for EYO they have reduced the paperwork? :huh::confused::huh:!!!

Apparently practitioners were complaining that Enabling Environments and Positive Relationships were too much for them! They know all that already - they simply want a list to monitor children's progress - the rest is part of normal everyday good practice.

There were also multiple complaints that Ofsted inspectors were relying too heavily on PR and EE when making their judgements. This meant that actions were not always very sensible...

By taking the burden of PR and EE away we have a much simplified document... :D

[hectors house]

As I mostly use Sarah's condensed down DM sheets I guess I am already just using Unique Child which is what new Early Years outcomes concentrates on. I still do refer to my full DM though and feel that for new childminders especially, to not be able to read the suggestions in EE & PR may limit the way they do things.

[tashaleee]

Apparently practitioners were complaining that Enabling Environments and Positive Relationships were too much for them! They know all that already - they simply want a list to monitor children's progress - the rest is part of normal everyday good practice.

There were also multiple complaints that Ofsted inspectors were relying too heavily on PR and EE when making their judgements. This meant that actions were not always very sensible...

By taking the burden of PR and EE away we have a much simplified document... :D


BUT EE and PR are mentioning in the overarching principles of the statutory framework.... so doesnt make snese to remove them from DM/EYO....

Oh yeah I remember... its Friday.. and the government dont have to make sense... :panic:

[Simona]

Apparently practitioners were complaining that Enabling Environments and Positive Relationships were too much for them! They know all that already - they simply want a list to monitor children's progress - the rest is part of normal everyday good practice.

There were also multiple complaints that Ofsted inspectors were relying too heavily on PR and EE when making their judgements. This meant that actions were not always very sensible...

By taking the burden of PR and EE away we have a much simplified document... :D

Sarah...you say apparently...who can possibly complain EE and PR is too much for them?
is that good enough reason for 'pushing' DM aside anyway ?

Only those with little knowledge of Child development could not 'apparently' make the connection to enabling environment and their positive relationship is a recipe for success for children!"

The DfE has created a 'ticklist' ...I think even Engel says that in her article....children deserve more than that or has EY become something to please those who constantly moan about 'paperwork'?

I also think Engel refers to a consultation...there was only one where we were asked about reduction of paperwork...but it only received 328 replies...considering the total of providers is 96,000 plus ALL the experts...that was poor show, so the DfE gave in to the minority?

Do we know who made the 'complaints to Ofsted'?
An inspector should rely on EE and PR because they are linked to good practice and progress...I disagree we have a much simplified document....I am concerned if this turns out to be true

I have continued to use DM since printing the EYO...I totally understand them and am able to link the 2....EYO on its own would make no sense to me at all...my view of course!

After 20 years in childcare I am confident I can use the 2 in conjunction, use my own devised version and show the inspector how my children reach their full potential from observation to assessment!
I am happy to be given 'recommendations' for improvement but I will not accept I can use a ticklist to do my job properly...if so I have thrown away years of studying, researching and building up knowledge

I said previously it seems I had wasted my time emailing Ofsted for clarification.....after reading the article I can say Ofsted said exactly what Engel says: EYO have been replaced in the inspectors' guidelines...that is what Sue Gregory meant on page 4 of her Ofsted news..... but can be used by providers if we want as neither are 'statutory' ...this was also the same reply I received from a very well known EY consultant.

Are we about to accept another ridiculous reform without arguing against it ?

[sarah707]

Are we about to accept another ridiculous reform without arguing against it ?

Yes I think so... because a lot of practitioners have welcomed it as a simplification of what they are doing.

We seem to be in the minority in terms of wanting to keep a longer document - especially because of the way Ofsted relied on it during inspections for action points.

:D

[Simona]

Yes I think so... because a lot of practitioners have welcomed it as a simplification of what they are doing.

We seem to be in the minority in terms of wanting to keep a longer document - especially because of the way Ofsted relied on it during inspections for action points.

:D

This article has not even made the NWorld headlines yet...who are the practitioners who have welcomed it or want to keep it or welcome a shorter document ? by 'we' do you mean cms or anyone else?
has Ofsted relied on EYO on inspections?...if so where is the evidence?
all day I have been waiting for one simple comment on this change by the sector and none has been out there yet

I repeat neither DM or EYO are statutory guidance so we can choose what we like to plan and assess learning as Engel says...until I have a very clear message from DfE I am not rushing to change anything...other cms are free to interpret this as they like of course

[hectors house]

At a training session yesterday I was sitting by a Nursery Manager and her Deputy - I asked "have you started using the Early Years outcomes yet", the manager replied "we have been using them since last September", I said "oh but they have only just been published this month - she had no idea what I was talking about!

[Simona]

At a training session yesterday I was sitting by a Nursery Manager and her Deputy - I asked "have you started using the Early Years outcomes yet", the manager replied "we have been using them since last September", I said "oh but they have only just been published this month - she had no idea what I was talking about!

The EYO have been published a while back...in fact it was Sept 2013... so it is no surprise some are using them and others are totally oblivious of them...this is in the typical DfE style by publishing something and leaving the sector to guess what is the next step!!

http://www.foundationyears.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Early_Years_Outcomes.pdf

They came into the inspections framework from 4 Nov and that coincides with Ofsted revising their framework and telling inspectors to use them and not DM when assessing Outcomes which is exactly what Engel says in her report

My EY team told us about them a month ago they had been published, I has already printed them and had been referring to them already...so nothing new there...the whole thing is a guessing game on how to arrive at best practice

The article has finally made the NWorld headlines but to view it you have to log in to NWorld forum to discuss...any idea why if this is now current practice?

Learning & Development: Development Matters - Next steps | Nursery World (http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/feature/1140190/learning-development-development-matters-steps).

[Simona]

This is the Nursery World article which explains why DM has been replaced by EYO :D

www.nurseryworld.co.uk/article/1219207/learning---development-development-matters---next-steps+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk]Learning (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WZumhyTn97cJ:[url) & Development: Development Matters - Next steps | Nursery World[/url]

Just to make everyone aware that if you click on the above link it gets you nowhere....why would that be?

But click on this and you can only access it if you subscribe to NWorld forum...clear as mud and certainly worrying.

Learning & Development: Development Matters - Next steps | Nursery World (http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/feature/1140190/learning-development-development-matters-steps#)!

[sbittle]

Thanks for keeping us updated Sarah :)

[sbittle]

Thanks for keeping us updated Sarah