yeah for Corrie!! Positive reinforcement!

**jadavi** · 21-01-2012, 12:06 PM

Cheering out loud when Roy in Corrie was telling Owen about how positive reinforcement is more effective with dogs than hitting (after he had hit a child)...yay yay yay
I wish someone would tell Own it's also illegal....

Bless bless Roy!!

Now lets just hope they'll next tackle breast feeding and not bottles and dummies for their new borns..... it would mean such a lot if they modelled it to all the Corrie watching teens

onceinabluemoon · 21-01-2012, 01:26 PM

Ahhh, brill, glad you brought this up. I thought it was fab too

On the same note, can anybody point me towards the legislation stating that it is illegal to smack your own child please? I didn't actually know it had been passed as law as could really do with this as a couple of people I know smack. Thanks

ps I don't hit anybody, kids or adults, this isn't for me!

Pipsqueak · 21-01-2012, 01:43 PM

no its NOT illegal to smack your own child - 'reasonable' chastisment is perfectly legal. A smidgeon of definition of 'reasonable' it that smacking cannot leave a mark.

**crazyXstitcher** · 21-01-2012, 01:50 PM

Faye is not Owens child though is she. Surely it's at least illegal to hit one that isn't your own.

I haven't seen thursday or fridays episodes yet but surely Owen is going to be in abit of trouble over this.

<<hides from this thread until she's watched the episodes>>

**Playmate** · 21-01-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pipsqueak

no its NOT illegal to smack your own child - 'reasonable' chastisment is perfectly legal. A smidgeon of definition of 'reasonable' it that smacking cannot leave a mark.

Glad you have said this Pip, because this is what I thought, but thought maybe I had missed something.

onceinabluemoon · 21-01-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pipsqueak

no its NOT illegal to smack your own child - 'reasonable' chastisment is perfectly legal. A smidgeon of definition of 'reasonable' it that smacking cannot leave a mark.

That's what I thought, but then thought maybe I had missed something being brought in. Good to know I'm still up to date with the rules.

**barbarella68** · 21-01-2012, 05:42 PM

I like the bit about the breastfeeding and dummies-not.

Don't really a soap to tell me what is best for my child.

BuggsieMoo · 21-01-2012, 06:10 PM

In the UK, spanking or smacking is legal, but it may not leave a mark on the body, and in Scotland since October 2003 it has been illegal to use any implements when disciplining a child. The total abolition of corporal punishment has been discussed. In a 2004 survey, 71% of the population would support a ban on parents smacking their children. In a 2006 survey, 80% of the population said they believed in smacking, and 73% said that they believed that any ban would cause a sharp deterioration in children's behaviour. Seven out of ten parents said they themselves use corporal punishment.

HTH

**stardust** · 21-01-2012, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by BuggsieMoo

In the UK, spanking or smacking is legal, but it may not leave a mark on the body, and in Scotland since October 2003 it has been illegal to use any implements when disciplining a child. The total abolition of corporal punishment has been discussed. In a 2004 survey, 71% of the population would support a ban on parents smacking their children. In a 2006 survey, 80% of the population said they believed in smacking, and 73% said that they believed that any ban would cause a sharp deterioration in children's behaviour. Seven out of ten parents said they themselves use corporal punishment.

HTH

I'm not against smacking (your own children), I think its exceptable in certain situations. When you have tried every other option.
Sometimes a tap on the hand gives that sense of shock that is sometimes needed.
If you have a child continuously putting their selves in danger (not necessary at a minders house but in their own homes), no matter how many time outs you use, no matter what toys you take away or how many times you explain it they will continue. It is more dangerous to allow them to keep doing it until they become electrocuted, therefore that little tap gives the shock factor. Just like hot drinks, running in the road ect.
There's a difference between a small tap and beating your child. But i do feel that smacking should be the last resort.
I know i'm going to be lynched but its my opinion.

Also the breastfeeding thing, they cannot show this on TV as 1. the children are not actually theirs, they are mini actors so shoving a boob that does not belong to mummy in the baby's mouth is unacceptable and also they have to be careful how much flesh is on show.
And 2. because of the amount of complaints they would receive form all the people who find it unacceptable to breast feed in public.

**jadavi** · 21-01-2012, 06:38 PM

They could suggest breast feeding is going on by discreet shawls etc - of course they needn't actually show it. It doesn't even need to feature but we can know that her baby is breast fed...

Corrie and the like reach a massive audience of young mums who are influenced as we all are by the media.
The health message that has been extolled for years by the \NHS that 'breast is best' would be so effective thru soaps. The health benefits for the child are enormous. They really have no excuse for not doing it.

I cant believe that all the babies born in Corrie the last ten years have been bottle fed. It stupid cos the script writers only do it so other characters can give bottles - but they can still do this by mums expressing milk.
It's on the same level as Steve trying to give up smoking. They need to bring their script writing up to date.

This has galvanised me to join Corrie's facebook page (if it exists) and start giving them grief!!

BuggsieMoo · 21-01-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by tara_louise1990

I'm not against smacking (your own children), I think its exceptable in certain situations. When you have tried every other option.
Sometimes a tap on the hand gives that sense of shock that is sometimes needed.
If you have a child continuously putting their selves in danger (not necessary at a minders house but in their own homes), no matter how many time outs you use, no matter what toys you take away or how many times you explain it they will continue. It is more dangerous to allow them to keep doing it until they become electrocuted, therefore that little tap gives the shock factor. Just like hot drinks, running in the road ect.
There's a difference between a small tap and beating your child. But i do feel that smacking should be the last resort.
I know i'm going to be lynched but its my opinion.

Also the breastfeeding thing, they cannot show this on TV as 1. the children are not actually theirs, they are mini actors so shoving a boob that does not belong to mummy in the baby's mouth is unacceptable and also they have to be careful how much flesh is on show.
And 2. because of the amount of complaints they would receive form all the people who find it unacceptable to breast feed in public.

I was brought up getting a smack and I dont think its did me any harm. Im not against it either and like you believe that it should firmly be the last resort and not routine punishment so to speak. I agree there is a massive difference between a 'tap' and a belt.

**mushpea** · 21-01-2012, 08:17 PM

I dont watch corrie but have never hit my children and dont condone it but each to their own.
I disagree and actualy feel upset about the breast feeding comment,, i tried hard with my daughter to breast feed but it didnt work and I felt both inadequete and like a peice of meat in the end with the midwifes trying to put her on me so when my son was born he went straight on bottles,,, My daugher is a brain box and is in top sets in high school though goodness knows where she gets her brains from but bottle feeding did her no harm at all and my son has his issues with excema, astma and ADHD but he is a happy chappy and who knows if i had breast fed he may have been healthier but then again he may not but to be honest I dont care because they are both wonderful children whom i love dearly and I know i did the best for them, and this thing about bonding better when breast feeding is rubbish, there is nothing that beats looking down in to your babies eyes when they are feeding wether they are on the bottle or breast.
Good for those who can breast feed and enjoying but for those that cant dont feel bad your children will be just fine.

BuggsieMoo · 21-01-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by mushpea

I dont watch corrie but have never hit my children and dont condone it but each to their own.
I disagree and actualy feel upset about the breast feeding comment,, i tried hard with my daughter to breast feed but it didnt work and I felt both inadequete and like a peice of meat in the end with the midwifes trying to put her on me so when my son was born he went straight on bottles,,, My daugher is a brain box and is in top sets in high school though goodness knows where she gets her brains from but bottle feeding did her no harm at all and my son has his issues with excema, astma and ADHD but he is a happy chappy and who knows if i had breast fed he may have been healthier but then again he may not but to be honest I dont care because they are both wonderful children whom i love dearly and I know i did the best for them, and this thing about bonding better when breast feeding is rubbish, there is nothing that beats looking down in to your babies eyes when they are feeding wether they are on the bottle or breast.
Good for those who can breast feed and enjoying but for those that cant dont feel bad your children will be just fine.

Well said re the BF side of things. I know how you feel. My daughter was intially breastfed and when she was 2 weeks old she got infantile menagitius (sp) and the doctors put her onto bottles in the hospital as 1) I could not express enough and 2) they wanted to see how much she was taking in so every feed was monitored. They reassured me that she would continue to bf when she was discharged but this never happened she would not do it and I was heartbroken and like you I felt like a let down. However she is top set in her class, tall, beautiful, intelligent and my little angel and I could not love her anymore x

Pipsqueak · 21-01-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by jadavi

They could suggest breast feeding is going on by discreet shawls etc - of course they needn't actually show it. It doesn't even need to feature but we can know that her baby is breast fed...

Corrie and the like reach a massive audience of young mums who are influenced as we all are by the media.
The health message that has been extolled for years by the \NHS that 'breast is best' would be so effective thru soaps. The health benefits for the child are enormous. They really have no excuse for not doing it.

I cant believe that all the babies born in Corrie the last ten years have been bottle fed. It stupid cos the script writers only do it so other characters can give bottles - but they can still do this by mums expressing milk.
It's on the same level as Steve trying to give up smoking. They need to bring their script writing up to date.

This has galvanised me to join Corrie's facebook page (if it exists) and start giving them grief!!

I think what DOES need to happen is a good balance of breast (the suggestion of) and bottle fed babies
discuss the issues surrounding dummies

however DON'T shove it down peoples throats that it SHOULD or HAS to be this way.

I BF'd all of my kids... almost to the detriment of number 3 IF I had listened to the HV. He was lactose intolerant and that included my milk. He was really really poorly.
That though did not stop me feeling like a failure for being 'unable' to feed him myself. People should not be made to feel that way.

Soaps should provide the issue and raise awareness of the good the bad and the ugly surrounding it.

Same as dummies... they are NOT a bad thing - used correctly and in fact they are life savers for some children/families

as to the smacking issue - its a very emotive one. I was smacked as a child and I am actually a pretty decent person. I wasn't beaten, nor was I repeatedly walloped, I was only smacked when actually yes I deserved it.
I have no problem with those who choose to smack their own child - I have smacked my children - when they deserved it and all other avenues were closed off. I have (shock horror) lost my rag and smacked my child in anger - they have driven me to that edge.

There does (imo) appear to be a decline in behaviour from children since the anti-smacking campaigns have worked their magic. Children fear nothing nowadays do they - not their parents, not teachers, not the local bobby, not the law. There is no consequence to their actions. I am not suggesting at all that the answer is smacking a chilld per se however there has to be balance

**jadavi** · 21-01-2012, 11:25 PM

Apologies for any upset. If people have made a considered choice based on their circs then that is all anyone can expect. No one is pointing any fingers. 'Breast is best' was an NHS slogan at the time when I had my babies which is why I used it.

My issue is that by presenting the feeding option one sided only on soaps, a large number of girls/women who may not be exposed to these ideas at all may feel that its not nice to breast feed/that its embarrassing/that its messy/that no one in her family did it etc etc . These programmes have a duty to reflect current culture and they are failing in this respect.

I am asking for a balanced representation in these soaps because they have such a massive audience. BF is never represented and there needs to be more awareness of it in my opinion. It's not to say its for everyone, espec if it is upsetting people's experience of mothering. as long as people know of its benefits and do not feel it is socially unacceptable which it will continue to be if programmes like Corrie continue to promote bottle feeding and dummies by showing every baby with one.

**Maza** · 22-01-2012, 09:34 AM

I gave my daughter a dummy to help with her acid reflux - I was told that it makes them produce more saliva which waters down the acid.

**helendee** · 22-01-2012, 11:53 AM

Unfortunately Breast is Best is definitely not true for my poor niece, she has badly ulcerated nipples and has to go to the hospital daily to have them cleaned and dressed and faces possibly losing part of her breast.... meanwhile her eight week old son is screaming as he cannot feed properly and she won't give him a bottle as she has been, in my opinion, brainwashed into thinking that she is only a good mum if she breastfeeds!!!

**helendee** · 22-01-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by jadavi

Apologies for any upset. If people have made a considered choice based on their circs then that is all anyone can expect. No one is pointing any fingers. 'Breast is best' was an NHS slogan at the time when I had my babies which is why I used it.

My issue is that by presenting the feeding option one sided only on soaps, a large number of girls/women who may not be exposed to these ideas at all may feel that its not nice to breast feed/that its embarrassing/that its messy/that no one in her family did it etc etc . These programmes have a duty to reflect current culture and they are failing in this respect.

I am asking for a balanced representation in these soaps because they have such a massive audience. BF is never represented and there needs to be more awareness of it in my opinion. It's not to say its for everyone, espec if it is upsetting people's experience of mothering. as long as people know of its benefits and do not feel it is socially unacceptable which it will continue to be if programmes like Corrie continue to promote bottle feeding and dummies by showing every baby with one.

I don't understand why either breast of bottle feeding needs to be promoted by anyone, least of all via television programmes, it is purely the choice of the child's parents how it is fed so what interest or business is it of anyone else?

**jadavi** · 24-01-2012, 10:53 PM

Tv programmes are part of the media that has a strong effect on our choices whether we realise it or not.

**uf353432** · 24-01-2012, 11:11 PM

I'm fairly sure Ronnie Mitchell in Eastenders was shown as a BF mother before they went down the SIDS route - and then bottle fed the baby she snatched. Ironically on todays TV you are more likely to see BF on TV as a route to advertise formula (I'm thinking of Aptimal specifically, but there have been others).

I am always intrigued when the subject of BF is brought up - and I mean this observation with the greatest respect - mums become very defensive of their feeding choices, are pretty quick to justify how they fed their child. How you feed your child does not alter your worth as a mother, I certainly do not assume that if you FF your child that they will be out performed in school by the BF peers or that your child will be in ill health. For some how to feed your child is an easy choice, harder for others - the reality is that its a choice for you to make for your child alone.

I personally agree that on TV there should be a greater balance of showing that babies are fed both ways in our society - I think it should represent the choices a cross section of the population make - I hope that this will normalise feeding choices whatever they may be, so that mothers can be at peace with their choices.