Registering with LA for Waste Management!!!

**donnagwynne** · 03-08-2010, 09:19 AM

Had a letter from Early Years this morning to say that I had to register with the Local Authority Commercial Waste Management Service, and I had a duty under the Environmental Protection Act to ensure that I do, and if I do not I could be prosecuted. It clearly states on the leaflet that this also applies to anyone running a business from home.

From the information provided in the leaflet it now looks like I will have to either a) dispose of my own waste or b)employ and pay the local authority to do it for me.

If I dispose of my own waste, I will have to have a Waste Carriers Licence (from the environmental protection agency) and Waste Transfer notes.

ARE THEY HAVING A LAUGH!!!!!!

I do not produce any more household waste than any of my neighbours even though I run a business.

Does any one have any experience of this????

I am do not really want to draw attention to myself by telephoning the waste management service and asking them about it.

Please???

**caz3007** · 03-08-2010, 09:27 AM

Goodness me, how ridiculous, all those nappies must be toxic.

I have less rubbish than my neighbours or only as many bin bags as those who are just a couple and I am a family plus my minding. We recycle all we can and keep our bags to two a week, we are allowed 5!!!!

Have noticed a bit of an increase this week and last week, but more to do with me sorting out ready for my holiday.

**donnagwynne** · 03-08-2010, 10:05 AM

This is the leaflet that I was sent by my local authority.
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/CHt...x?id=18862&p=0

Surely if I have to register, then so must all other childminders in the country as we all come within the remit of the legislation.

Is anyone else registered with their local authority??

And, like Caz I also recycle, compost etc and do not produce any more waste than my neighbours.

**caz3007** · 03-08-2010, 10:17 AM

Read the leaflet and it mentions childminders. As long as we keep within our councils amount of bags to be collected, surely we should be ok, but reading that leaflet it doesnt look like we would be. Our waste is only normal household stuff, nothing toxic or in huge amounts.

I will await notification from my own area before doing anything about it.

How will they diferentiate between minding stuff and our normal stuff, as the only difference in mine is about 8 nappies a week (dont have babies full time, so am changing them as often as should) the rest is food packaging and other packaging which my own DS would generate too

**Ripeberry** · 03-08-2010, 10:26 AM

This is all getting ridiculous, first of all they try and make us register as taxi drivers, now they try and make us register with waste management.

If they bring this out as law it will be a total laugh as what about the thousands of people who work from home and use their computers, they must produce loads of paper waste.

**huggableshelly** · 03-08-2010, 12:01 PM

I've not found any futher information for other areas regarding waste disposal.

I would contact your CO, ask her for advice and if this is to be done are the council going to provide you with the correct bins so you can seperate your buisness waste from general household waste and if so are they also going to provide a safe place for it to be placed where you still ahve access to it as the larger bins are a danger and I presume would need a padlock of some form to ensure animals and people of all ages to not become trapped inside!

**rickysmiths** · 03-08-2010, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by donnagwynne

Had a letter from Early Years this morning to say that I had to register with the Local Authority Commercial Waste Management Service, and I had a duty under the Environmental Protection Act to ensure that I do, and if I do not I could be prosecuted. It clearly states on the leaflet that this also applies to anyone running a business from home.

From the information provided in the leaflet it now looks like I will have to either a) dispose of my own waste or b)employ and pay the local authority to do it for me.

If I dispose of my own waste, I will have to have a Waste Carriers Licence (from the environmental protection agency) and Waste Transfer notes.

ARE THEY HAVING A LAUGH!!!!!!

I do not produce any more household waste than any of my neighbours even though I run a business.

Does any one have any experience of this????

I am do not really want to draw attention to myself by telephoning the waste management service and asking them about it.

Please???

The solution is easy. You don't have any waste from Childminding. Just bag it up everyday and give it to the parents to take home and put in their bin. I'm sure my parents would do this if I was subjected to such a rediculous rule, especially if I havd to raise my fees to cover the additional costs incurred.

I would phone Early Years to find out more. If you are a member of NCMA this is definately something you should take to your next Regional meeting and take a letter for you Policy Forum Reps to take with them.

**suzyblue** · 03-08-2010, 02:53 PM

This is ridiculous! I would send the extra refuse home to parents too but as they live local to me the rubbish is going to end up in the same place regardless of which bin it starts off in!

**Beetlejuice** · 03-08-2010, 03:29 PM

I did hear about this from my tutor on my NVQ course - we are meant to have yellow bins/bags for disposal of waste and that is collected by different dept to regular bin men. Utterly ridiculous and as I've had no notification from council about it I'm playing dumb. I don't generate more waste than my neighbours - we all have the same sized bin and I fill mine as much as them and no more!!

**singingcactus** · 03-08-2010, 04:28 PM

Have they told you how much extra it will cost you to be registered and keep the whole business legal?
I remember those heady halcyon days when childminding was dealt with by competent people from social services, who understood the need for parents to have flexible, simple home from home child care for their little darlings. What the heck happened???

**donnagwynne** · 04-08-2010, 01:47 PM

I have emailed by DO about this, and as usual she was particuarly unhelpful.

"I am sorry for your upset but we are just following guidelines from the LA, we appreciate your frustration and recognised there would be a lot of questions individuals would want to ask. However due to it not being our area of expertise I would advise you go directly to the contact details on the leaflet and share your concerns with them as they are the only people that can provide the questions to the answers.
We have tried to negotiate with them prior to sending the information out but they were very firm in their guidance"

I find it hard to believe that out of all local authorities in the country, Nottingham City is the only one that is going to implement this legislation against childminders, particularly when the Act in question is 20 years old. Why has no one encountered this before?

Is there really no other childminders on this forum who have to pay to have their "business" waste removed??

**wellybelly** · 04-08-2010, 01:57 PM

Does anyone have any idea on how much this will cost?

**rickysmiths** · 04-08-2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I did hear about this from my tutor on my NVQ course - we are meant to have yellow bins/bags for disposal of waste and that is collected by different dept to regular bin men. Utterly ridiculous and as I've had no notification from council about it I'm playing dumb. I don't generate more waste than my neighbours - we all have the same sized bin and I fill mine as much as them and no more!!

These are not the same thing. Yellow bins are for waste as a result of first aid incidents that involve the cleaning up of bodily fluids such as blood. All our First Aid boxes should have one, though trying to buy one is a joke, The girl in Boots laughed at me and said why on earth would I need one? They don't sell them! and suggested I try online! If you used the one in a First Aid Kit you could not dispose of it in your bin, you would have to ring your local Envirnmental Health Dept and arrange, at your cost to have it collected. My sister is a Chiropodist and she has a Yellow Weelie Bin for all her waste from her Chiropody. She is seeing 50-60 clients a week and so has a lot of waste.

I dabbed a grazed knee today with a damp tissue, it wasn't even a bad graze, I used one tissue but technically I should have dissposed of it in a Yellow Bag and paid for the bag to be collected.

However if I had an incident with a child that resulted in huge quanities of bodily waste I would be dialing 999 and letting them deal with it.

I think the original poster was refering to all our general waste for cm. So nappies, food waste etc. Hardly 'Industrial Waste'. I know as a family of 4 we have a smaller wheelie bin given to us than our neighbours who are a family of 5.

Our bin is rarely 1/2 full eventhough I mind 3 children full time and have before and after schoolies 4 days a week, theirs is always full to overflowing. We recycle a lot of stuff and compost veg and fruit waste.

It seems to me that a Jobsworth with too much time on their hands has instigated this in Nottingham. Are money strapped councils really going to start to take dozens/ hundreds of Childminders to court over this?

I really can't get excited about it all.

**Pedagog** · 04-08-2010, 03:25 PM

Was chatting to a friend who is in Environmental health and apparently nappies are hazardous waste and should be disposed on in yellow bags.

**Ripeberry** · 04-08-2010, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Pedagog

Was chatting to a friend who is in Environmental health and apparently nappies are hazardous waste and should be disposed on in yellow bags.

Well they better start issuing them to all new parents then

**Pedagog** · 04-08-2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ripeberry

Well they better start issuing them to all new parents then

I know I said it was silly, but then he pointed out that they are encouraging parents to use real nappies, by supplying them.

**huggableshelly** · 04-08-2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Pedagog

Was chatting to a friend who is in Environmental health and apparently nappies are hazardous waste and should be disposed on in yellow bags.

fair comment so all households with children wearing nappies must be provided with a suitable bin including childminders at no extra cost as parents would not be charged so why childminders but as already been stated if they do decide to continue with the charge ask them if there is a way out of it such as sending childrens rubbish home with them to eliminate the so called extra wate there may be.

my nighbour has 2 main bins both on the large side with only 2 children and 1 adult, both bins are always full. I have 1 standard sized bin and even when i was working at full capacity i never managed to fill it so to me the council are targeting the wrong people and should do regular spot checks on constant offenders who fill their bins too much and charge them instead.

**Pedagog** · 04-08-2010, 04:44 PM

We are not chraged for clinical waste round her, so a yellow bin would make no difference. To be honest I would love a yellow bin as it would mean my main bin was even less full.

I fully agree the council are picking on the wrong people, my bin is never full (fortnightly collections) my recycling ones are always over flowing.

**caz3007** · 04-08-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Pedagog

I fully agree the council are picking on the wrong people, my bin is never full (fortnightly collections) my recycling ones are always over flowing.

Ours is the same, luckily I have an agile 18 year old son who jumps in my recycling to squash it down a bit or it would be overflowing.

All our food waste either gets recycled in the dog or the composter

**The Juggler** · 05-08-2010, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by donnagwynne

I have emailed by DO about this, and as usual she was particuarly unhelpful.

"I am sorry for your upset but we are just following guidelines from the LA, we appreciate your frustration and recognised there would be a lot of questions individuals would want to ask. However due to it not being our area of expertise I would advise you go directly to the contact details on the leaflet and share your concerns with them as they are the only people that can provide the questions to the answers.
We have tried to negotiate with them prior to sending the information out but they were very firm in their guidance"

I find it hard to believe that out of all local authorities in the country, Nottingham City is the only one that is going to implement this legislation against childminders, particularly when the Act in question is 20 years old. Why has no one encountered this before?

Is there really no other childminders on this forum who have to pay to have their "business" waste removed??

hon, I would speak to NCMA. If your LA is saying this, then as someone else has said, every other CM in the country should be having to. It's ridiculous.