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    Hi I have received info today from local Uni about the early years teacher programme that will replace the early years professional status from sept, and i meet requirements to go for it as have degree and as childminder i work with right age group etc etc but was reading about early years educators-
    "The Government is also raising the quality of Level 3 with the introduction of Early Years Educator qualifications".

    I do not have level 3 and was thinking about which would be classed as higher award Early years Teacher or Educator?

    anybody any wiser?

    open day next sat so maybe answers there ?

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    You need to read this -

    Inside the secret garden: When is a teacher not a teacher?

    It depends on what you want to be / do with the qualification.

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    Early years Educator will be to bring all the different level 3 qualifications in line with each other and up to the same standard.
    Early years teacher is replacing the early years practitioner so is graduate level so is level 6. Therefore 'teacher' will be a higher qulaification than educator but as I understand it and as sarah has said the 'teacher' title does not give teacher status as there is no QTS with it (!)

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    Hi there,
    I would be interested to know what you find out and do/did (can't see how old this post is now)
    I am nearly at the end of my 2nd year of a foundation degree in Early Years and fingers crossed about to go onto the 3rd year to top up to a BA hons. I am also a Childminder and wonder which route to take after too - it changes so much!!!

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    depending on your provider you can do the 3rd year BA hons AND your EYPS - (or EYT as it will now be) - but it is a huge amount of work - if you are in your final year your workload will not only include all module coursework but a dissertation. If you add on the EYT assignments its quite an undertaking. several people on my course are doing it though. (I'm just doing the EYPS)
    I believe part of your 3rd year will be funded alongside your EYT though so financially it makes sense to do it that way. My uni also offers a postgraduate route which means you can get postgraduate certificate in early years AND the EYP but that would mean an extra year of study for you and I'm not sure if they offer a pratictioner route because the course may be more 'full-time'

    We had an interesting chat about this at uni this week - our lecturer reckons that the EYT will be used to undermine teachers position and therefore salary. If a EYT can work as a teacher in a academy or private school as a QUALIFIED teacher and if all schools are being pushed to become an academy then teachers (QTS) will not be in as strong as position as they are now. It all sounds quite scary really. I don't understand how she thinks this will come about but there is definitely something the govenment is up to in their 'more great childcare'
    they also said that the uni therefore may have to consider something like EYT alongside PGCE - but then in my understanding if you had PGCE why would you want an EYT?
    Likewise, I did an EYPS because I didn't have the time, inclination or funding to do a PGCE!

    I'd love to know how the OP got on at the open day!

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    as Sarah says, depending on what you want to do with your qualification afterwards. If you want to use it in an outside setting and be a nursery teacher either in a children's centre, school or private setting you are better off going down the QTS route.

    You can aim to do this via the schools direct programme (the old graduate teacher programme), training on the job in a school and getting paid rather than having to PGCE full time.
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    I'm working towards a degree with the OU and I'd like to get a PGCE so that I have career options if I need them in future.

    Bluelion: Can you tell me any more about the early years PGCE? Is it the working with 3-7yr olds one? Or is it a 0-7yrs one like Nutbrown suggested??

    What your tutor said about them trying to 'deregulate' teaching echoes what Sarah707 posted from the 'Inside the Secret Garden' blog. It all seems to fit: they don't want to spend so much on educating joe public's children, the same as they don't want to spend to keep ratios tight enough to ensure the emotional and physical well-being of his babies and toddlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisbet View Post
    I'm working towards a degree with the OU and I'd like to get a PGCE so that I have career options if I need them in future.

    Bluelion: Can you tell me any more about the early years PGCE? Is it the working with 3-7yr olds one? Or is it a 0-7yrs one like Nutbrown suggested??

    What your tutor said about them trying to 'deregulate' teaching echoes what Sarah707 posted from the 'Inside the Secret Garden' blog. It all seems to fit: they don't want to spend so much on educating joe public's children, the same as they don't want to spend to keep ratios tight enough to ensure the emotional and physical well-being of his babies and toddlers.
    at the minute you take a primary pgce - ages up to 11 years - but then you specialise in early years (to do this they advice your degree is early years focused - which I imagine yours is.

    However, if depending on whether you want to continue CM'ing or not you could apply for the schools direct places. You apply and become employed by a school, they train you, pay you, no university fees and you receive QTS accredited by the university the school is linked to. You get paid whilst you work. You HAVE to have your maths, english and science GCSE (or o'level in my case) and you have to then take english and maths equivalency tests before you start your placement.


    If you do the PGCE you'd pay for a university year £9k but might get a few grand bursary and you are full time either at uni or in placements.

    have a look at this link to the teaching agency Get into teaching - Teaching Agency , you can chat to an online advisor to get advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Juggler View Post
    at the minute you take a primary pgce - ages up to 11 years - but then you specialise in early years (to do this they advice your degree is early years focused - which I imagine yours is.

    However, if depending on whether you want to continue CM'ing or not you could apply for the schools direct places. You apply and become employed by a school, they train you, pay you, no university fees and you receive QTS accredited by the university the school is linked to. You get paid whilst you work. You HAVE to have your maths, english and science GCSE (or o'level in my case) and you have to then take english and maths equivalency tests before you start your placement.


    If you do the PGCE you'd pay for a university year £9k but might get a few grand bursary and you are full time either at uni or in placements.

    have a look at this link to the teaching agency Get into teaching - Teaching Agency , you can chat to an online advisor to get advice.
    Thank you so much, that's really helpful!

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    hiya, ive been offered an interview with 1 weeks notice, spoke to admin today and she said interview would consist of one on one chat, written assignment and then group discussion, very scared about group thing as although i have assistants its usually me me me , anyone any advice on interviews, thanks in advance

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    AGGHH sorry - just wrote a really long reply and realised when the date was that any advice would be too late!!

    How did you get on? Hope it was not too scary and you got on well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelion View Post
    AGGHH sorry - just wrote a really long reply and realised when the date was that any advice would be too late!!

    How did you get on? Hope it was not too scary and you got on well!
    Thank you got an offer and start sept

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    Congratulations!! What was the interview process like? Let us know how you get on as you go. x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelion View Post
    depending on your provider you can do the 3rd year BA hons AND your EYPS - (or EYT as it will now be) - but it is a huge amount of work - if you are in your final year your workload will not only include all module coursework but a dissertation. If you add on the EYT assignments its quite an undertaking. several people on my course are doing it though. (I'm just doing the EYPS)
    I believe part of your 3rd year will be funded alongside your EYT though so financially it makes sense to do it that way. My uni also offers a postgraduate route which means you can get postgraduate certificate in early years AND the EYP but that would mean an extra year of study for you and I'm not sure if they offer a pratictioner route because the course may be more 'full-time'

    We had an interesting chat about this at uni this week - our lecturer reckons that the EYT will be used to undermine teachers position and therefore salary. If a EYT can work as a teacher in a academy or private school as a QUALIFIED teacher and if all schools are being pushed to become an academy then teachers (QTS) will not be in as strong as position as they are now. It all sounds quite scary really. I don't understand how she thinks this will come about but there is definitely something the govenment is up to in their 'more great childcare'
    they also said that the uni therefore may have to consider something like EYT alongside PGCE - but then in my understanding if you had PGCE why would you want an EYT?
    Likewise, I did an EYPS because I didn't have the time, inclination or funding to do a PGCE!

    I'd love to know how the OP got on at the open day!
    On iPad and don't know how to highlight bits of text.

    I have a PGCE and I was doing the EYPS. The reason for doing the latter was because when I was working in the nursery I was led to believe they could attract more funding for the EYPS. I've no idea if that was true but that was the reason I was asked to do it even though I had a PGCE and QTS. I started it as I got paid and it didn't cost me anything. I didn't finish it as I went on maternity leave, the nursery closed and things were changing on account of revised EYFS and I wasn't in a position to complete it by the timescale I was given.

    I have no idea what the EYT looks like in content but the EYPS and the PGCE were poles apart. I can see why the EYPS didn't come with QTS.

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    Congratulations, sounds lovely :-)

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    The EYPS can attract funding for nurseries to attract highly skilled practitioners. In Devon I think they can claim £5000 to supplement the income of an EYPS. Well I think I read that somewhere|! I was wondering if as a childminder I can claim it to supplement my income as I have increased the quality of my setting (!)
    The new EYT have had all the leadership indicators taken out because it was too difficult for non-practitioners/new graduates to demonstrate them. (!!) This is what I was told by one of the leads on EYPS at my provider. Haven't seen them yet though but it makes it sound like they are making the standards less rigorous.

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    Hi I have my observation of practise, setting tour and final interview tomorrow, it's the last part of my Eyts programme and I will find out in march if I've met all of the teaching standards and if I am an Early years teacher yikes !

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    Good luck with everything. It will be worthwhile, great sense of achievement.
    I achieved EYPS in July last year

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    I've finished !!!! Find out March phew

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    Hope it went well, you can relax now. I assume the assessor said that they are recommending you for the status

 

 
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