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    Buynip...I posted the second comment before seeing your reply.

    You certainly make good points which again trigger reflection
    My idea of being pro-active is that we now need to have this debate in the open with our associations....agencies are here now...so what is next for all of us?

    I totally understand the 'competition' you refer to...I was in the past a 'Support cm' where I helped cms to register and get to inspection...did I see them as competition?...no never.
    The only competition I see is in paperwork...if we share it means cms copy our ideas but not develop their own....I have often been asked to pass my on but never did but happy to discuss how I got there.

    Those who felt you should not be a CM speak for their own shortcomings and prejudice...cliques existed when networks were up and running ...some of those cms hardly ever mixed with the rest...a few enlightened ones did.
    I wish we had more men in childminding in my area...what a difference that would make! cliques usually happen with women...sorry not being unkind but that is my experience....so no offence to anyone.

    Agency cms will be 'deregulated' but ...as the agency will be regulated by Ofsted...that is how they will get around that divisive issue.

    The blame for the 2 tier now lies at the door of the DfE, Ofsted and 4 Children...we got angry with agencies but let the guilty ones scott free
    the woman running @Home childcare was the first one to complain about the negativity against agencies...did she not comment on that when responding to the Childcare Bill?...oh and often said so on twitter if anyone dared ask a question saying it was putting cms off!!
    that in my view triggered the secrecy we all perceived.

    Good to debate and I hope we find a way forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natlou82 View Post
    I completely get your point Bunyip. Unfortunately @homechildcare has a way of getting under people's skins, they are very clever. Today I heard my new CM acquaintance refer to orange moon (their agency name) in the same sentence as BD that well known provider of obs, policies, contract etc online so the agency has already got a finger in that pie! This is going to be very interesting, roll on the 28th!!
    @homechildcare have always been perfectly charming, perhaps a little too charming? When I did my level 3 with them it was perfectly clear the only aim was to do it as quickly, efficiently and cheaply as possible: to complete the tick-list of criteria irrespective of whether anybody went through the revolutionary experience of actually learning a darned thing. My personal assessor was lovely, but very clearly world-weary and worn down by the unfulfilling task of being in education without educating anybody..........just 'chasing up' assignments all the time and ticking boxes with as little discussion as may be.

    Is it just me, or does 'Orange Moon' sound like a highly-specialised fetish website for people who get a thrill out of satsumas showing off their bottoms? I hardly dare Google it.

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    Close your eyes Bunyip....Here is a link to Orange Moon...looking for registered Cms and EYPS to support their agency CMs!
    I rest my case...if we do not offer support to their members other Ofsted registered cms will

    Childminder (childcare) Development Tutor/Mentor (28719879) - reed.co.uk

    Orange Moon or Leap Ahead...neither titles means anything and have no connection to children!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simona View Post
    Close your eyes Bunyip....Here is a link to Orange Moon...looking for registered Cms and EYPS to support their agency CMs!
    I rest my case...if we do not offer support to their members other Ofsted registered cms will

    Childminder (childcare) Development Tutor/Mentor (28719879) - reed.co.uk

    Orange Moon or Leap Ahead...neither titles means anything and have no connection to children!
    As I said, they approached me to help with 'support'.

    You'll be pleased to hear I said no 'professionally'. That is, I resisted the overwhelming temptation to deliver my reply tied to a house-brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunyip View Post
    As I said, they approached me to help with 'support'.

    You'll be pleased to hear I said no 'professionally'. That is, I resisted the overwhelming temptation to deliver my reply tied to a house-brick.
    Yes I was recently made aware of this...so another prediction has come true.

    Next is that agencies will become members of our associations and attend conferences alongside ORCMs!

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    In response Simona, yes I've found your emails very helpful. I hope you are still looking forward to my feedback. My clever comment is that I can see that they are approaching this from many angles to get a wider appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natlou82 View Post
    In response Simona, yes I've found your emails very helpful. I hope you are still looking forward to my feedback. My clever comment is that I can see that they are approaching this from many angles to get a wider appeal.
    I hope I got your comment right

    You also say BD will offer their paperwork to Orange Moon
    Unless it has changed since the last meeting I attended.....our local agency will buy paperwork from a well known company which many cms here use.

    Both offer it to ICMs and both will offer it to agencies...which in a way proves what I was trying to say that support for agency CMs will come from those who also support ICMs....it is about money in the end

    Feedback would be lovely if you feel ok about it....I have picked up a lot here just exchanging a few comments and points of view

    I am well armed now for the next meetings where I intend to flag up my concerns as I have always done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simona View Post
    Orange Moon...looking for registered Cms and EYPS to support their agency CMs! IURL="http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/childminder-childcare-development-tutor-mentor/28719879"]Childminder (childcare) Development Tutor/Mentor (28719879) - reed.co.uk[/URL] !
    This advert is very interesting Simona. It sounds similar to the role our LA development officers do. I personally do not mind jumping through the occasional hoop to help them justify their jobs, if it means that in our small borough ( with approx 200 childminders), our officers continue to do what ever it is they do.

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    No orange moon are offering a package along the same lines as ****** (not sure if I'm allowed to say it) I don't know if it is provided by bds or they've set up their own. I know many CMs who welcome contracts, policies, obs online. So it is another appealing feature. Bearing in mind I only started CMing 2 years ago if an agency existed to help me set up my business I may well have jumped at the chance as I was not as confident in my own abilities as I am now. I can say with confidence that I wouldn't join now but for new CM's there is an appeal there. Personally I am thinking of the long term, to a day when I might be struggling to attract new clients and will parents be able to see me and my advertising against what could become a well established agency. At the meeting my aims are to find out what I need to do to stay ahead of the game. Could it become 2 tier I hope not, but there are going to be 2 separate trains of thought that you can't ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1rstie View Post
    This advert is very interesting Simona. It sounds similar to the role our LA development officers do. I personally do not mind jumping through the occasional hoop to help them justify their jobs, if it means that in our small borough ( with approx 200 childminders), our officers continue to do what ever it is they do.
    Oh the irony of it!...I wonder were they got those ideas from!

    I recall discussing these at DFE and with a certain minister 3 and half years ago...not sure how clever @Home childcare are ...or just taking hints from ICMs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by natlou82 View Post
    No orange moon are offering a package along the same lines as ****** (not sure if I'm allowed to say it) I don't know if it is provided by bds or they've set up their own. I know many CMs who welcome contracts, policies, obs online. So it is another appealing feature. Bearing in mind I only started CMing 2 years ago if an agency existed to help me set up my business I may well have jumped at the chance as I was not as confident in my own abilities as I am now. I can say with confidence that I wouldn't join now but for new CM's there is an appeal there. Personally I am thinking of the long term, to a day when I might be struggling to attract new clients and will parents be able to see me and my advertising against what could become a well established agency. At the meeting my aims are to find out what I need to do to stay ahead of the game. Could it become 2 tier I hope not, but there are going to be 2 separate trains of thought that you can't ignore.
    You are correct that...when first starting...cms welcome all the help they can get in looking at paperwork, having a contract in place...devising policies and also having some knowledge of how to run a business.....going through EYFS thoroughly so all new cms have a good grasp of it
    In the past they had to undergo a small test to 'Pass' their knowledge of the course....not sure they do now?

    Often other Ofsted registered cms just helped along to smooth the passage to registration...all hands on deck!
    they used to 'signpost' new cms to inform themselves in setting up a new business and understand it
    they never had paperwork they could copy or buy and which meant little to them!...devising their own was so satisfying.

    All that is now gone...because the LAs dropped any help for cms ...or now charge dearly for it

    Many LAs are, I am sure, actually helping agencies set up and do all the above....I remember speaking to one agency who said exactly that

    I remember all those people who lost their jobs at ET teams...how great to tap into their knowledge and I bet a lot may end up replying to those mentor's adverts for Orange Moon?


    The main problem with all this is the commercial companies or anyone making money ...the one BD or many others popping up...you can mention Tapestry here but not others....will make loads of money if the agency cms 'must' buy that package so all are 'cloned' into using the same paperwork
    so easy for the agency to keep their eyes on and get someone else to monitor CPPD?
    That means very little 'individuality' in an agency...as all cms do the same paperwork

    Another reason to support them to stay out of agencies or get out if they can and the support is not right?

    All this was available to all newly registering cms via the LA who trained them to register...many also had the help of 'Support Childminders' or those cms who wanted to help a fellow colleague get on the ladder of self employment

    While I see where you are coming from and seeing this from many angles...I am sure all those angles have been taken from ICMs themselves.

    WE can only wait and see....like me you have an agency on your doorstep and that must be worrying a bit

    I am sure you will keep very alert...good luck!

 

 
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