SO angry!

[JennaG]

GGGGRRR!

Talking to a friend about her sending her daughter to nursery in the new year and I mentioned about mabe taking her to a childminder to save money & get a more 1to1 experience, she explained her reasoning for not doing that (doesn't work out for her work schedule) which is understandable but the thing that has annoyed me is a friend of her who has joined in the converstation, she's basically knocking down childminders and saying nursery is better for the children to learn sharing and interact with other children! grr!

I feel as 'almost' childminder, very offended! We offer just a good as a service as a nursery and teach the children all this important stuff too!

I haven't replied because I don't think I can hold my tongue!

ARGHHH!

Rant over!

x

[Pipsqueak]

I share your anger! Thing is you encounter such ignorant dense attitudes all the time - including from other professionals. You have to learn to ignore it or challenge it in a professional way (including giving a withering stare).
You learn to be ultra professional just to 'show people'.

If you allow this pathetic attitude to get to you like this you will become so disenchanted with minding quickly.

So much research points to an under 3 is better of with a minder.
So much research demonstrates that a minder is just as good as other settings.

[Nature'sKids!]

Maybe reply saying there wouldn't be a cat in hells chance of sending my kids to a nursery, where they spend all day age segregated in the same room or garden, without interaction in the real world and learning through living in a family environent. I would never let my kids be institutionaliser at such a youn age!

Lol

[dusky777]

As an ex NN i worked part time with my eldest comign to nursery with me. NN have so much paper work to do i find that kids just have to get on with it. Sure they have freedom of load of toys, lots of friends etc but they dont get the one to one attention they some times need.

We goto playgroups etc they get the best of both world with us i think.

I didnt go back to NN after my yongest and i wouldnt have it any other way. I currently have a Nursery Managers child and she wouldnt send her child to nursery either!!

[Mouse]

I have to be honest I ignore people like that because nothing you ever say is going to make them change their mind. They think they know it all.

I usually say something annoying like "oh, poor little mites being stuck in an institution from such a young age". It doesn't make any difference, but makes me feel a bit better :laughing:

[LittleMissSparkles]

I dont like nurserys personally and never have, even before minding my dd went to a childminder, the one next to our school send a little girl of amlost 2 home with mild concusion the other day, didnt phone mum or inform her till she picked up and then just did accident form, mum asked my opinion in our school playground , i told her to take her stragith to a&e which she did and they said lo has concussion !!! mums still taking her there grrrr x

[JennaG]

Oh, I know I shouldn't let it get to me but I hate people who talk down other peoples professions! It's so rude!
How can they judge if all they have ever done is put their child in a nursery?!

Thankfully another lady came into the conversation & beamed about her minder! which made me smile :D I thanked her for bringing such a positive note about childminders into the conversation! :clapping:

Personally, I think highly of childminders, I defiently wouldn't be bothering qualifying/registering if I didn't believe we are better for childcare than a nursery. WE ROCK! lol :P

Be proud of yourselves ladies, each and everyone of you do a amazing job! :D

xx

[Helen79]

Oh, I know I shouldn't let it get to me but I hate people who talk down other peoples professions! It's so rude!

Yet there's people on this thread putting down Nursery Nurse's professions and nursery settings :rolleyes:

[JennaG]

Yet there's people on this thread putting down Nursery Nurse's professions and nursery settings :rolleyes:


Where?
I see people putting down nursery enviroments, not the staff :S

x

[Helen79]

Originally Posted by Helen79
Yet there's people on this thread putting down Nursery Nurse's professions and nursery settings


Where?
I see people putting down nursery enviroments, not the staff :S


Ok people are being derogatory about nurserys and that would include the staff working there. :rolleyes:
As someone who has been proud to work in some lovely nurseries and would love to go back to working in a nursery (as much as I also love being a cm'er) I may get offended by people being rude about nurseries. It may also offend people on here who have chosen to send our children to nurseries who are being accused of 'institutionalising' our own children.
You can't complain that someone was expressing her opinion on childcare and came across as being rude about cm'ers and then do the same and be rude about nurseries.

[JennaG]

Ok people are being derogatory about nurserys and that would include the staff working there. :rolleyes:
As someone who has been proud to work in some lovely nurseries and would love to go back to working in a nursery (as much as I also love being a cm'er) I may get offended by people being rude about nurseries. It may also offend people on here who have chosen to send our children to nurseries who are being accused of 'institutionalising' our own children.
You can't complain that someone was expressing her opinion on childcare and came across as being rude about cm'ers and then do the same and be rude about nurseries.


I don't see how I was being rude about nurserys? I never said one bad word about them :/

I think if this post is going to start getting nasty or abrute, no more comments should be made, I made the orginal post to have a bit of a rant & praise childminders.

[sonyach]

I have worked in nurseries, know people who work in nurseries now and i can honestly say from my experience i would never send my children to a nursery!! Not saying they all bad and not having a go at nn, as i was one. But you can't beat a home environmet with a good childcare professional:)

[The Juggler]

Oh, I know I shouldn't let it get to me but I hate people who talk down other peoples professions! It's so rude!
How can they judge if all they have ever done is put their child in a nursery?!

Thankfully another lady came into the conversation & beamed about her minder! which made me smile :D I thanked her for bringing such a positive note about childminders into the conversation! :clapping:

Personally, I think highly of childminders, I defiently wouldn't be bothering qualifying/registering if I didn't believe we are better for childcare than a nursery. WE ROCK! lol :P

Be proud of yourselves ladies, each and everyone of you do a amazing job! :D

xx

its only ignorance of what we do hon. invite them over to see what you offer :thumbsup:

[Helen79]

I don't see how I was being rude about nurserys? I never said one bad word about them :/

I didn't say that you had, I was pointing out how ironic it was that you moaning that people didn't respect and were being rude about childminders and then other people started being rude about nurseries and saying how bad they were. You're angry and saying that people shouldn't voice their negative opinions on cm'ers yet people on here think it's ok to voice their negative opinions of nurseries without thinking that it might offend some people.
In your op you did say that childminders offer a more 1:1 experience which may be seen as being rude about nurseries not being as caring and giving enough attention.
I also haven't been nasty at all, just pointing out that negative points are being made about other people's professions and businesses on a thread that was about being angry with comments made about our profession and how rude it was to do that.

[sfox2003]

I have often been asked the differences cm vs nursery during parent interviews. I always reply each have something to offer, I sent my daughter to a nursery & it didnt do her any harm she did enjoy it. However as a cm I offer smaller groups with the benefit of us going to outside regular groups so they still get the opportunity to mix with others.

A childminder can only have 1 under 12 months whereas a nursery can have 3 under 12 months to 1 adult.

A cm is much more flexible with routine. In a nursery they do tend to eat, drink, sleep & play at the same times each day. A cm can go out in the afternoon instead of the morning if a child has had a bad nights sleep. The children can have a little snack usually whenever they like (so long as it wont spoil a meal).

If the weathers nice we can visit the park or walk to feed the ducks. Equally if the weathers bad ie snowy or wet we can go to the nature park & play/walk. We can go to the library, shops, bank, post office. All those normal things that families do.

Of course Im biased though ;)

[stargazer1]

I agree completely. The one that gets me is I'm stood at the school gates, everyone knowing I'm in the process of registering, and openly complaining about the cost of childcare. I try to point out to them that I will be charging £3.50 per hour, the average in our area, and that if I only have one child a day, then I am working for £3.50 an hour, which is waaayyy below minimum wage. I think that considering the care and attention their child will receive, above and beyond what a nursery provides I personally feel, I don't see how they can complain. And to be honest, so many people get help from tax credits with their child care costs, if you actually work out what they have to pay themselves from their wages, its so minimal. I also get annoyed when people seem to look at me like I've taken a soft option for deciding to childmind. I note that all of these mums are not at home looking after these bundles of joy, some even joking that they go to work for a break, so I don't see for a second how childminding can be considered any less demanding than any other profession. I think they should be taking their hats off to childminders!! I am looking forward to my house being full of kids, toys everywhere, noise and mayhem - wouldn't want it any other way!! :)

[nipper]

I agree completely. I think they should be taking their hats off to childminders!! I am looking forward to my house being full of kids, toys everywhere, noise and mayhem - wouldn't want it any other way!! :)

:clapping: GOOD:clapping: FOR:clapping: YOU!:clapping:

[JennaG]

I didn't say that you had, I was pointing out how ironic it was that you moaning that people didn't respect and were being rude about childminders and then other people started being rude about nurseries and saying how bad they were. You're angry and saying that people shouldn't voice their negative opinions on cm'ers yet people on here think it's ok to voice their negative opinions of nurseries without thinking that it might offend some people.
In your op you did say that childminders offer a more 1:1 experience which may be seen as being rude about nurseries not being as caring and giving enough attention.
I also haven't been nasty at all, just pointing out that negative points are being made about other people's professions and businesses on a thread that was about being angry with comments made about our profession and how rude it was to do that.


If that is the worst I had said, then woe me lol - when you quote someone, you are speaking directly to them hence why I commented back to you.

[JennaG]

I agree completely. The one that gets me is I'm stood at the school gates, everyone knowing I'm in the process of registering, and openly complaining about the cost of childcare. I try to point out to them that I will be charging £3.50 per hour, the average in our area, and that if I only have one child a day, then I am working for £3.50 an hour, which is waaayyy below minimum wage. I think that considering the care and attention their child will receive, above and beyond what a nursery provides I personally feel, I don't see how they can complain. And to be honest, so many people get help from tax credits with their child care costs, if you actually work out what they have to pay themselves from their wages, its so minimal. I also get annoyed when people seem to look at me like I've taken a soft option for deciding to childmind. I note that all of these mums are not at home looking after these bundles of joy, some even joking that they go to work for a break, so I don't see for a second how childminding can be considered any less demanding than any other profession. I think they should be taking their hats off to childminders!! I am looking forward to my house being full of kids, toys everywhere, noise and mayhem - wouldn't want it any other way!! :)


I 100% agree :D x

[Helen79]

If that is the worst I had said, then woe me lol - when you quote someone, you are speaking directly to them hence why I commented back to you.

But then all the lady in your op said was that she thought nursery was better so why get so angry about someone else's opinion. She wasn't slating you personally it was just her opinion, just as those opinions on here are quite harsh about nurseries.
I'm think I'm just quite shocked that people hate nurseries so much and view them so negatively. I believe nursery to be a better environment than a childminder for my own children as that's what suits them best. I don't think cm'ers are worse than nursery though and would consider one for any future children if that's what was best for them.
ds's nursery have a massive outside play are with slides and climbing frames etc and take him swimming every week and for walks in the woods. He's definitely not being 'institutionalized'. I don't have a large garden so it benefits him to be outside all day. He doesn't do any crafty activities there, just plays outside. Unless a childminder spends 5 hours a day in the park then he's not going to enjoy a cm'ers as much as nursery. Also it is the best place for him to socialise more, he's quite shy so does benefit from being in a larger group and has made some lovely friends. I only look after girls and he has an older sister so he benefits from being around the boys too.

I also don't think nurseries give any less attention to the children just because there's more children there. When I'm changing a child's nappy, I can't hold the baby who's crying because it's his 1st settling in session, at a nursery there's always someone ready to hold that baby while another member of staff change the other children's nappy. Just because we have less children doesn't mean we're better than a nursery or give better care and attention to each child. Maybe I've just had better experiences of nurseries but I can't believe that all are really as bad as people on here are making out.

[JennaG]

No, she wasn't slating me but it annoys me that people dismiss childminders straight away before getting the full facts.

Everyone whom has posted on this thread has annonced their opinon, it is isn't directly aimed at you, yet you feel the need to drag it out?
They had bad experiences, end of.

Thank you to those who commented & made me feel much better about my 'rant' lol :P xx

[karensmart4]

Well... what a debate that started!!!!

Personally I advise parents of the pro's and cons of CM & Nurseries and allow them to make an informed decision about what is best for them and their child.

I offer Educational spaces for 2/3 &4 year olds so one of the benefits being, the parents can use their 15hrs a week funding here, but some cm's don't offer that and the parents need to use a Nursery or lose the entitlement.

Some parents want to use a Nursery that is attached to a school so their child is familiar with that school when the time comes for them to move up.

Two of my parents moved their children to a Nursery once they were 3yrs old for the above reason, one of them signed a contract with me for holiday time only and the other one said that as she was a teacher herself she didn't need holiday cover.

I had a frantic phone call just over a week ago, the Nursery would be closed to the children as they were having an open day and this parent didn't know what to do :eek:

It looks like we cm's offer a better service in the flexibility stakes :thumbsup:

[Maza]

Obviously there are fantastic childminders and fantastic nurseries out there and different children/families are more suited to one form of childcare than another. I think what offends me is the 'way' in which some people express their opinion. Of course everyone is allowed an opinion, but you have to be sensitive in the way you express it as it is a very sensitive subject for both families and professionals.

[Pipsqueak]

. Just because we have less children doesn't mean we're better than a nursery or give better care and attention to each child. Maybe I've just had better experiences of nurseries but I can't believe that all are really as bad as people on here are making out.

yet there is a LOT of research that shows under 3's are better off with a childminder.

However I agree with you Helen - there are some wonderful nurseries out there - there are good and bad in all types of provision. Remember though this is primarily a minding forum and therefore people will tend to extol the virtues of a minder over a nursery.

[buildingblocks]

Obviously there are fantastic childminders and fantastic nurseries out there and different children/families are more suited to one form of childcare than another.

This is so true. i have worked 20 years in childcare next year and have worked in three different forms of childcare setting. I have been a live in nanny and a daily nanny, worked in a nursery and for the last 8 years I have been a CM. I would probably still be nannying but there aren't many jobs in my home town and when they brought in the minimum wage parents couldn't afford to pay me and go out to work so I was lucky and got a job in a nursery in Grimsby.

I hated it it was a horrible place to work not due to the setting but due to the way it was run (purely about money and not about the children. I worked in the baby room with a brilliant member of staff and one carp one who sat texting on a mobile for he whole day. Most of the staff members were brilliant but I do remember one who had hysterics when a child was sick on the floor and wouldn't go near them and freaked even more when I picked the child up and they were then sick over me. She was 18 and gave notice saying shed took the job as she thought it was going to be a doddle.There were other things again but it was about how that manager run that nursery and I wouldn't tar every nursery with the same brush.

This does not mean that every nursery is the same and I would certainly work for a nursery again if I had to (although some locally I wouldn't) although not sure I would be able not to be my own boss.

I have been a childminder for 8 and a half years now and am passionate and love childminding but I know of CM's locally who I wouldn't leave a child with.

There is good and bad in every profession within childcare and I am sure we can all think of them. I have been lucky to attend the NCMA conference this weekend and there many people there who are not happy the NCMA have let nannies into the organisation as an ex nanny with 20 years in that profession I felt upset by their views but they are entitled to there views but many had never done that job.

Sorry I have gone off track a bit but I feel that many childcare workers are undervalued and underpaid. Some are lucky but as someone said when we talk about bad nurseries not all workers in them are bad some are dedicated professionals just like us just as we all probably can name a bad childminder.

One thing I can add to the original post is that in our area some childminders follow a quality assurance programme and one of the assessors used to be a lady who had run a local 'excellent nursery' for many years. She said to me one day that even with all her experience in daycare she saw how hard that childminders worked today and she would recommend to anyone that a child under two would probably benefit more with a childminder then in a nursery and until recently she wouldn't have ever said that as she wasn't aware how hard childminders worked.

[mufftie]

I'm going to but in here and just say even though I am a childminder , I personally would choose a nursery every time , infact 3 our if my 5 children went to full time nurserys for reasons that I'm not going into I just think its personal choice and they each are good for different reasons .