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Simona
27-07-2015, 09:08 AM
Only one agency...Leap Ahead in my LA...is processing registration for cms.
Most cms interested will be ex Network ones who seemed to be interested when we had meetings..

Childminder agencies without any childminders on their books | Nursery World (http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/news/1152787/childminder-agencies-without-any-childminders-on-their-books)

JCrakers
27-07-2015, 09:44 AM
Pah :laughing: Sounds like a real flop to me (here's hoping)

'In the process' of registering childminders?

What..just like i'm in the process of becoming a millionaire (when I get that winning ticket)

Mouse
27-07-2015, 12:12 PM
Interesting information on our very own Agency12:

City Childcare Childminding Agency was registered with Ofsted on 24 June.

The agency, which is still in the early stages of setting up, has yet to register any childminders.

Based in Woodford Green in London, City Childcare Childminding Agency is being run by nursery provider Louise Felstead (pictured), who holds an Early Years Teacher qualification and is training to become an Ofsted inspector.


So not only do we have an agency among us, but a trainee Ofsted inspector as well :panic:

Smiley
27-07-2015, 12:22 PM
:) I wonder what the government minister is thinking? :)

Simona
27-07-2015, 01:44 PM
Interesting information on our very own Agency12:

City Childcare Childminding Agency was registered with Ofsted on 24 June.

The agency, which is still in the early stages of setting up, has yet to register any childminders.

Based in Woodford Green in London, City Childcare Childminding Agency is being run by nursery provider Louise Felstead (pictured), who holds an Early Years Teacher qualification and is training to become an Ofsted inspector.


So not only do we have an agency among us, but a trainee Ofsted inspector as well :panic:

And if I remember well Agency 12 first question was about safeguarding.
I did not understand her statement on parents asking a nursery for mixed care...CMs get asked as well and that will be very much in demand when the. 30 hours comes in but CMs can still work with nurseries and preschools without going off to an agency!

Smiley....we were tweeting to Sam Gyimah today telling him to UTurn as no one wants or needs agencies.
He mentioned ' myths' about agencies but there are none...we just don't want them or need them now CMs have an 85% good/outstanding grades.

hectors house
27-07-2015, 03:19 PM
Interesting information on our very own Agency12:

City Childcare Childminding Agency was registered with Ofsted on 24 June.

The agency, which is still in the early stages of setting up, has yet to register any childminders.

Based in Woodford Green in London, City Childcare Childminding Agency is being run by nursery provider Louise Felstead (pictured), who holds an Early Years Teacher qualification and is training to become an Ofsted inspector.


So not only do we have an agency among us, but a trainee Ofsted inspector as well :panic:

Well we all realised she was a spy but turned out to be a double agent!

bunyip
27-07-2015, 04:45 PM
:) I wonder what the government minister is thinking? :)

Wrong question.

I wonder if the government minister is thinking. :rolleyes:

bunyip
27-07-2015, 04:48 PM
Well we all realised she was a spy but turned out to be a double agent!

Maybe we could return the favour and infiltrate a 'mole' into the agency.

Anyone live near Woodford Green? :rolleyes:

Simona
31-07-2015, 08:26 PM
Maybe we could return the favour and infiltrate a 'mole' into the agency.

Anyone live near Woodford Green? :rolleyes:

I think you would be the appropriate candidate...if you fancy a bit of commuting!
Agency 12 will be too busy inspecting other settings so she would need safe pair of hands!
Go for it!

bunyip
01-08-2015, 04:43 PM
I think you would be the appropriate candidate...if you fancy a bit of commuting!
Agency 12 will be too busy inspecting other settings so she would need safe pair of hands!
Go for it!

:clapping: Ha! Even when I lived I London, I never fancied Woodford. Once glance at the Tube map tells you it's the place the Central Line planners got to and decided the best thing to do was to come back again. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Btw, you don't by any chance happen to know that Twickenham landlord who got sent down for killing a customer with an ironing board, do you? It was kind of tragic and hilarious at the same time. :rolleyes:

Simona
02-08-2015, 07:56 AM
:clapping: Ha! Even when I lived I London, I never fancied Woodford. Once glance at the Tube map tells you it's the place the Central Line planners got to and decided the best thing to do was to come back again. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Btw, you don't by any chance happen to know that Twickenham landlord who got sent down for killing a customer with an ironing board, do you? It was kind of tragic and hilarious at the same time. :rolleyes:

Mmmm...know of him but do not know him personally.

Definetely a mixture of tragedy in this and a bit of comedy...that pub does not strike me as one where an ironing board is at hand to hit complaining customers?
I drove past it on the day of the accident!

Simona
20-08-2015, 07:33 PM
Boring...boring...boring....no news has come out of any agency recruiting CMs as members :D

Ripeberry
21-08-2015, 07:44 AM
Agency12 is being very quiet.....:rolleyes:

agency12
21-08-2015, 10:00 AM
Still here, new website design (new logos) and promotion materials under way, met with our website marketing people yesterday

Simona
23-08-2015, 08:27 AM
Still here, new website design (new logos) and promotion materials under way, met with our website marketing people yesterday

Interesting.... but it does not tell us how many cms are on your waiting list to register with your agency....if any?

bunyip
23-08-2015, 11:24 AM
Website.................
Logos....................
Promotion..............
Website (again).......
Marketing..............

...no mention of children, families, parents, childminders...............

Now we see how the agencies set their priorities, all is laid bare.

Shame. :(

Simona
23-08-2015, 12:13 PM
Website.................
Logos....................
Promotion..............
Website (again).......
Marketing..............

...no mention of children, families, parents, childminders...............

Now we see how the agencies set their priorities, all is laid bare.

Shame. :(

Children, families, parents and CMs are all going to be 'marketed' ....I expect CMs may have to wear a Tshirt with the logo 'I am an Agency cm'!....perish the thought :angry:
I curse the day Truss turned childcare into a market...it's all her fault!

bunyip
23-08-2015, 12:32 PM
Children, families, parents and CMs are all going to be 'marketed' ....I expect CMs may have to wear a Tshirt with the logo 'I am an Agency cm'!....perish the thought :angry:
I curse the day Truss turned childcare into a market...it's all her fault!

I'm no fan of Ms. Truss, but I don't believe she turned childcare into a market. I think that is too big a claim even for an ultimate class-traitor wrecking-ball careerist politico like Truss. I suspect money has changed hands to have children cared for since the Pharoah's daughter put Moses out to a wet-nurse. :p

Regulation did a lot to strengthen and accelerate the reality of childcare as a marketable commodity, because it limited the supply of legal paid-for childcare and created something akin to a closed-shop scenario (not so much in the trades union sense, but more like the Medieval guilds.) In that respect, we are more responsible than The Truss Woman for the marketplace aspect of childcare.

I don't presume to put words in your mouth but, if I guess correctly that you mean Truss put the economics before the child, then I agree with you on that much.

And now she's doing to the dairy farmers pretty much what she did for childcare............................. :mad:

Simona
23-08-2015, 12:43 PM
I'm no fan of Ms. Truss, but I don't believe she turned childcare into a market. I think that is too big a claim even for an ultimate class-traitor wrecking-ball careerist politico like Truss. I suspect money has changed hands to have children cared for since the Pharoah's daughter put Moses out to a wet-nurse. :p

Regulation did a lot to strengthen and accelerate the reality of childcare as a marketable commodity, because it limited the supply of legal paid-for childcare and created something akin to a closed-shop scenario (not so much in the trades union sense, but more like the Medieval guilds.) In that respect, we are more responsible than The Truss Woman for the marketplace aspect of childcare.

I don't presume to put words in your mouth but, if I guess correctly that you mean Truss put the economics before the child, then I agree with you on that much.

And now she's doing to the dairy farmers pretty much what she did for childcare............................. :mad:

Absolutely spot on...she did put economics before the children and it proved a big fail....the whole system has deviated to outcomes, hard working families and a lot more waffle!

As for what she is doing to farmers...especially milk farmers...look no further that her BBC Any Qustions input last Friday!

Sorry for the deviation everyone but that is worth listening to if you want a laugh or tear your hair out!
I have never in my life wished something to fail so much as I wish agencies to flop on their bellies!

Mouse
23-08-2015, 12:54 PM
I have never in my life wished something to fail so much as I wish agencies to flop on their bellies!

I do think there is a need for some of the services that agencies are supposed to be supplying - training, support when registering, a local point of contact...

...oh, hang on a minute...wasn't that what LAs used to do before all their funding and responsibility was taken away from them?

Here's a radical idea...what if LAs had been given more funding and more responsibility rather than stripping it all and handing power over to money-making agencies who have very little knowledge about childminders?

I know not all LAs were as good as ours, but what if efforts had been put into improving them rather than ditching them all and replacing them with secretive agencies who offer nothing at all?

Simona
23-08-2015, 01:25 PM
I do think there is a need for some of the services that agencies are supposed to be supplying - training, support when registering, a local point of contact...

...oh, hang on a minute...wasn't that what LAs used to do before all their funding and responsibility was taken away from them?

Here's a radical idea...what if LAs had been given more funding and more responsibility rather than stripping it all and handing power over to money-making agencies who have very little knowledge about childminders?

I know not all LAs were as good as ours, but what if efforts had been put into improving them rather than ditching them all and replacing them with secretive agencies who offer nothing at all?

Some LAs still offer good support to CMs, some charge for that support, while others abandoned CMs a long time ago.
My issue is with those LAs who applied to be agencies...first they leave CMs to be on their own then they see the opportunity to become agencies and offering what was their duty in the first place: support, training and the registration process

not many LAS applied....mine did under their Social Enterprise mantle of Achieving for Children....so I am keeping my eyes and ears open on their practices.

The problem with Truss and her agency idea was that it hid the main aim: deregistration of CMs which meant Ofsted could see ££££ in savings hence the reason Ofsted backed agencies.

All that spin behind CMs need support and help with their business was a poor selling point.
It also had the aim of recruiting more CMs in the sector...not sure it has actually done that except frighten many to leave the profession.

I also think LAs could have organised themselves better when their funding dropped and relied more on a 'peer to peer' support which CMs really are good at! A wasted opportunity I think!

sarah707
23-08-2015, 03:41 PM
The Childminding Forum welcomes and supports all childminders - those who wish to register with and work within an agency AND childminders who want to stay independent of agencies.

It makes me a little sad to see an agency coming onto the Childminding Forum in good faith and their motives being questioned in this way.

We are here for all childminders that's what Pauline intended when she set up the Forum - if members don't want to engage with the agency and answer questions everyone has a scroll button or thumb!

Thank you :D

Mouse
23-08-2015, 10:53 PM
The Childminding Forum welcomes and supports all childminders - those who wish to register with and work within an agency AND childminders who want to stay independent of agencies.

It makes me a little sad to see an agency coming onto the Childminding Forum in good faith and their motives being questioned in this way.

We are here for all childminders that's what Pauline intended when she set up the Forum - if members don't want to engage with the agency and answer questions everyone has a scroll button or thumb!

Thank you :D


I feel sad that you would suggest we are not supporting all childminders. There has never been any question over us supporting independent and agency childminders. I think we would all support any childminder and would actually show an interest in any childminders who join an agency as it would give us an insight into how they work.

There is a very big difference between supporting agency childminders and supporting an agency itself. I'd have thought that any agency who joins a forum of childminders who have actively worked to prevent them being established would know they are going to face opposition from childminders determined to see them fail.

I will take your advice and engage no more with the agency, but hope we won't be again chastised like naughty school children if we don't play nicely ;)

Simona
23-08-2015, 11:51 PM
If any agency CMs ever came on this forum to seek support I strongly believe it would be offered by all of us.
I doubt though that such cm would do so as they have every thing in 'one stop shop' .....to quote the rethoric.

There is a difference between supporting agency CMs to engaging with agencies themselves...they are a threat to CMs and the whole childminding community as a whole...some of us will never accept them!

While I read that we must now accept agencies as part of the sector landscape I would never agree to that and neither would those who are still fighting against this idiotic idea
Agency 12 came in this forum asking pertinent questions and was....in my view...far from open often dangling a carrot in front of our eyes

Let's put a stop to the secrecy surrounding CMs agencies then we can have an open debate
I also resent the comments made by Agency 12 in the NWorld article that there are too many myths surrounding agencies...I wonder what these myths are?

It beats me why this forum would want to question our motives against those of an agency...if not here I will raise my concerns elsewhere about agencies where I will not feel I am being told off.

I am sure the forum was set up to support us all but that was well before the arrival of agencies...it is not the same anymore and we must be free to raise our concerns and argue our points.

teacake2
24-08-2015, 09:23 AM
This is now becoming scary, has Agency 12 joined to try and undermine the forum, (sorry can't use my question mark, cat pulled key off), is that the real reason for joining, to try and split the forum and so she can say see there is no longer much support for childminders and so agencies are really needed, just my thoughts and perhaps reading behind the lines too much and it is a Monday morning and had a bad weekend so perhaps brain engaged in wrong gear.
Teacake2

agency12
24-08-2015, 02:06 PM
Can't imagine the agencies will ever have (or want) that amount of clout - in reality they will only inspect as far as is reasonable (financially) to send someone away from 'base camp' for us it will be Essex and East London, (we won't be looking for cm's any further away as we couldn't visit them twice a year)

Ofsted have an obligation for the whole of the UK we don't - it's in our interest to cooperate with the independents and share the market - cm's can switch any time they want - and switch between agencies as well

(I know 'market share' sounds a bit soulless but there we are - with the 30hrs swiftly approaching both agency and independents will be in the same boat with the schools and nurseries soon enough) there are 'interesting times' ahead - and there's little point in fighting between us - the agencies won't be 'taking' children - the cm's will be caring for the children and those cm's will either be independent or agency depending on what works for that individual cm, both options are different - the agencies cannot (and wouldn't want to) put independents out of business - those same cm's may want to rejoin an agency later - we'll be doing the same courses, doing the same job - (except all ours will be wearing the same uniform ... JOKE ...)

Simona
25-08-2015, 08:07 AM
Teacake.....scary but not I think something to worry about .
I feel that forum members accepted Agency 12 in good faith but with caution...in fact we did engage very positively and answered her questions on 'what do cms' need from an agency'.
I doubt Agency 12 would succeed in splitting CMs on their opinion on agencies....to various degrees we object to them but, the main problem which causes immense frustration, is the 'secrecy' from agencies themselves, DfE and Ofsted in this whole business.
I will keep my reasons quiet on why this may be so.


Let's see if we can start a new chapter on this and be honest and respectful of anyone's feelings.

1. First of all let's clarify on Agency 12 statement 'no point in fighting between us'
No fighting Agency 12 ...just clear and honest engagement...you did get a few 'measured replies' from cms but that was to be expected considering the level of objection against agencies is close to 100%....challenges were to be expected.

I, in particular, challenged your knowledge during your registration process and posted many links for you to check prior to your registration visit...just as I would do for any other cm asking for support here....some of your questions were astonishing....especially those regarding Safeguarding when you had stated you were a registered nursery setting.
Now that we know you are being trained to be an 'inspector' those questions on Safeguarding are a bit difficult to understand.


2. Agency 12...despite my very strong anti-feelings regarding agencies I have engaged with you and answered many questions....in fact I was even reprimanded in a DM for being too eager to engage with you but I was clear on my reasons
you needed to be pointed in the right direction unless you were posting questions to trick us...but I don't believe that to be the reason....I actually felt your knowledge of cms needed improving.

3. So let's be fair...we now know who you are as you have appeared in the NWorld story ...although you did not tell us from the start.
You are an agency and we are Independent CMs...the dialogue can now begin with the gloves off.
You can't be surprised at our reaction following that article?

4. In answer to your comment below...I am unsure what you are referring to when you mention 'the amount of clout agencies' have....maybe you could be a bit clearer on that....but I am quite clear having read the guidance

5. Let's clarify this point before any cms starts to panic...I am sure someone will have spotted this elephant in the room?
'OFSTED have an obligation all over the UK'
can someone correct me if I am wrong

Ofsted DOES NOT regulates childcare in Scotland nor Wales...nor even Northern Ireland.
Ofsted regulates England ONLY....I am sure others want to raise their voice here but maybe do not want to engage again?

6. The 'market share' sounds soulless....again it is a bit unclear to me on what you mean
This is how I translate it: you mean we will have to compete with agencies in the childcare market?
then yes but we are not soulless as we can argue this with our Ofsted registration, inspection and regulation and ...with ICMs recent performance in inspections' outcome we can argue how we raised our standards without the need for any agency to take over

7. Can Cms switch at any time even from agency to agency?...maybe..... but I would caution any cm trying to do so until the agencies are well established and Ofsted + DfE have tested the system

CMs can leave an agency and go back to Ofsted...yes...but I leave you to read the Ofsted guidance on this and inform your members.
Please do not reassure any new members of your agency that 'switching is easy'...any new member needs facts on that

8. Agencies will not want to put cms 'out of business'...lets see what happens when all the agencies are up and running....then we will judge but...you are our competition with a huge advantage: the DfE endorses agencies...enough said.

9. Cms have proved that, despite lack of support from LAs, we can rally round and look for support where it is given freely and in good faith.
Those who, in future, will train ICMs will also offer to train agencies.
Those who welcome us as members will also welcome agencies

So we will meet again Agency 12 in one of those meetings and we will continue to argue our corner.

bunyip
25-08-2015, 04:43 PM
I appreciate Sarah's reminder about the values/ethos of the Forum in welcoming and supporting all CM's, yet I cannot help but feel very uncomfortable about the whole issue. I fear that what is happening may well presage some form of split. Without getting too philosophical, there is a huge question mark over how, exactly, we individually and collectively maintain our core values when those values are challenged by the very existence of agencies and CMs working under them.

Collectively we argued against the introduction of agencies because we believed, and still believe that agencies represent a clear and present threat our deepest core values and will have numerous deleterious effects on childcare in the UK. How then do we face up to accommodating that which we opposed on the basis of things which cut deep into the heart of what we believe about childcare?

I remain unconvinced that Agency 12 has indeed stepped onto the Forum "in good faith". He/she/it seems to have more questions than answers - a thought which probably sums up the whole issue of agencies.

I have a bad feeling that we may well see a de facto split between agency CMs and independent CMs. If not nationally, then at least perhaps on a local level. The effect of agencies will, we argued, create the potential for localised monopolies by agencies who can out-punch independent CMs for advertising and resources, never mind the very uneven playing field on which inspection will be played out (to my mind, the notion that an agency can both passionately promote and dispassionately inspect its own customers, viz, its CMs is the very epitome the most cynical conflict of interests.)

At a Forum level, what will happen? How do we support agency CMs when we believe agencies (and by logical extension, those CMs who pay them) are damaging childcare? How many of us will feel truly comfortable giving out free information and advice to agency CMs whose very existence damages and threatens their local independent CMs. Is there not a choice to be made as to whom we support?

At the most basic level, when an agency CM asks for our support or information or tips on writing a policy (or whatever) is it not at least reasonable for members to suggest they pose the question to their agency instead? After all, what are they paying the agency for? Were the agencies not set up precisely to provide information and support? Are Forum members then expected to do it for free whilst the agency is gleefully counting out its money?

What I am suggesting is that agencies represent such a quantum shift in childcare provision, that we are talking about something which goes way beyond the mere moving of goalposts. Surely it has become reasonable to question whether we are playing on the same pitch, with the same ball, the same rules, or even the same game.

Simona
26-08-2015, 07:27 AM
I think it would be very useful to stop and think about this 'open ended' support that has been mentioned a lot when it comes to equally 'supporting agencies and agencies cms'.

I have heard this often ...at meetings, conferences, from some representing associations, from consultants and trainers, from charities funded by the DfE, from LAs and EY teams , including mine etc etc....we welcome and support everyone ...regardless....we make no difference.

So why do we have a separate section in this forum for 'Agency Chat'? ...how many agency cms have actually sought support or declared themselves to be joining an agency?

There is a lot to understand behind the statement 'we will support any cm regardless of whether they are Ofsted registered or agency registered'.

I beg to differ on that simply because no one has ever clarified and clearly explained what that means and gone back on the very bedrock that formed our opposition to the agency idea.

We seem to have a short memory of how worried we really were about the 2 tier of cms, the safeguarding, the quality of care provided by agencies, the inequality it will create, the opposition by MPS, Lords and many more

Let's not forget that for many who want to equally support cms there is the consideration of money to be made from agencies and those registered with them.....who will offer them insurance, training, all required paperwork?

Agency 12... as a future Inspector, a Tribal one I guess... will be best placed to spot this difference once she starts in her other role of inspecting quality, support and care for the children.

As no one has come out to confirm this....I will confirm my statement to be correct that Ofsted have a remit over England ONLY...not...as Agency 12 said 'an obligation for the whole of the UK'.

Kiddleywinks
26-08-2015, 08:34 AM
I have read many of the threads and replies with regard to Agency 12, and I must say I am bothered hugely about the amount of misinformed and uninformed information being given on a public forum by such an establishment, but what worries me more is what unsuspecting newbies are being told to 'win' them over to said agency that to be honest is a load of old codswollop!

We, and I mean the collective 'we' as in established minders, aren't able to 'balance' the 'independence-v-agency' to newbies PRIOR to them embarking on their journey, because 'we' don't get to speak to them unlike the LA, (my first point of call in how to start up) before that decision is made.


Simona, of course you are correct, as a well informed forum member you are more than aware of current guidelines and legislation, as are the majority of members here who probably didn't feel the need to confirm what EVERYBODY knows...:rolleyes:

Simona
26-08-2015, 08:55 AM
I have read many of the threads and replies with regard to Agency 12, and I must say I am bothered hugely about the amount of misinformed and uninformed information being given on a public forum by such an establishment, but what worries me more is what unsuspecting newbies are being told to 'win' them over to said agency that to be honest is a load of old codswollop!

We, and I mean the collective 'we' as in established minders, aren't able to 'balance' the 'independence-v-agency' to newbies PRIOR to them embarking on their journey, because 'we' don't get to speak to them unlike the LA, (my first point of call in how to start up) before that decision is made.


Simona, of course you are correct, as a well informed forum member you are more than aware of current guidelines and legislation, as are the majority of members here who probably didn't feel the need to confirm what EVERYBODY knows...:rolleyes:

The aim of clarifying the Ofsted remit was for the only purpose of dispelling a myth which could have confused new cms but not the ones you rightly address as well informed.

I can relate very well to your statement about balancing the 'Ofsted registered cm versus agency registered cm'

You are correct in saying any cm who wishes to register will go to the LA as a first step.
My LA has an agency recently registered...we were told that when cms approach them for registration they will be given the 'choice' of choosing Ofsted or agency

Can I be reassured that the choice given is free from bias when the people recruiting new cms are at the same time running the agency?...and at the same time promising equal support regardless who we are registered with?
conflict of interest indeed!

teacake2
26-08-2015, 01:05 PM
I am so glad that after 31 years I will be finishing next summer, the way we are being treated at the moment by certain people in power is worse than when I started, we didn't have much respect then but there appears to be none at all now in some areas. As regard to Agency 12 I personally feel very let down that this person is allowed to be a member of the forum, all they want is our knowledge of childminding and some very good information has been given to them where as nothing has come from them in return, I thought that the forum was for childminders and some parents not agencies and nurseries. Still as I say just my opinion and thankfully I will not have to put up with being treated as a second class citizen for much longer.
Teacake2

Simona
27-08-2015, 08:13 AM
I am so glad that after 31 years I will be finishing next summer, the way we are being treated at the moment by certain people in power is worse than when I started, we didn't have much respect then but there appears to be none at all now in some areas. As regard to Agency 12 I personally feel very let down that this person is allowed to be a member of the forum, all they want is our knowledge of childminding and some very good information has been given to them where as nothing has come from them in return, I thought that the forum was for childminders and some parents not agencies and nurseries. Still as I say just my opinion and thankfully I will not have to put up with being treated as a second class citizen for much longer.
Teacake2

Teacake...I am really sorry you feel that way and I hope you won't leave childminding with a nasty taste in your mouth....cms have been treated unfairly and taken advantage of, I also think they have risen to the task and hope they will continue to do so.

I have admitted to sharing a lot of information during discussions with the agency by posting links ....for various reasons...I put my hands up without shame.

I wanted to address a lot of the misinformation I personally felt was being given out via the questions
To address my own concerns as I have had plenty of opportunities to questions agencies, Ofsted, my LA and 4 Children
To challenge the feeling we were made to appear a bit dumb on the agency responsibilities/remit etc etc when in fact most of us were all very well informed.

To engage ...had we avoided answering Agency 12 we would have been guilty of giving the cold shoulder
Having engaged we are now guilty of being disrespectful....Catch 22...one can never win.
I wonder how Agency 12 feels about the way she engaged with us and the way she left some CMs feeling....is she happy that forum members have been reprimanded like little children for standing up to her ?
will she openly allow us to join her website ?


I understand the forum is mainly for CMs but no one can know who joins under a username ...we were warned right at the start that it had approved this agency under the mantle of supporting everyone and cms went on engaging.
While we have been reprimanded for engaging and showing little respect...there has been no reprimand on the way Agency 12 interacted with us.

We can't draw a line so easily under agencies and embrace them ....for as long as they exist they will be challenged and scrutinised by the vast majority....those who embrace them surely have ulterior motives.

Good luck in whatever you do in future !